Deposition excerpt suggests FBI used a celebrity‑named address book to pressure “bigger fish” in a sex‑trafficking case

04:26:07 01:26:12 01:26:17 04:26:18 04:26:21 01:26:21 01:26:25 01:26:28 01:26:33 04:26:39 01:26:41 04:26:44 Of: 26:47 01:26:51 01:26:54 01:26:58 01:27:00 ON OA PR WN | © 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 01:27:02 1 8 01:27:05 19 04:27:08 20 or270s 21 ora 22 01:27:15 23 oars 24 are 25 01:27:20 01:27:24 04:27:26 01:27:28 01:27:32 04:27:37 01:27:41 01:27:44 01:27:46 01:27:48 04:27:51 01:27:54 01:27:55 01:27:59 01:28:01 01:28:02 01:28:02 01:28:06 01:28:09 01:28:10 01:28:13 01:28:15 01:28:22 01:28:25 01:28:29 On Oo Ah O&O ND = 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 224 226 in your testimony yesterday as the holy grail, an or2820 «1 Q. Would it be a reasonable inference, or a address book of Mr. Epstein? 12838 2 possible reasonable inference to draw, that A. Pieces of it, yes. 012830 3 Mr. Rodriguez was trying to highlight people who would Q. Did you review the entire document? 012042 4 be of interest to the Press for purposes of selling the A. No. or2eas 5 book? Q. Did I understand yesterday that you orzes6 6 A. No, because he was not talking to the Press. testified -- did I understand correctly yesterday, that oz 7 He was talking to an FBI agent who had busted him for you testified that the fact that names were circled 2852 8 criminal activity. And so I was assuming that what he indicated that those persons likely engaged in illegal ovzess 9 was trying to do, as many criminals do when they are sexual contact with minors? orzess 10 apprehended, was give information to law enforcement A. My-- my impression is the names that were 012001 11 agency that would be helpful so that they can catch circled were circled by Alfredo Rodriguez when he was o1z003 12 other "bigger fishes" is the phrase that's sometimes busted by the FBI for involvement, and he was asked to o12006 13 used, so that the little fish would -- would get off or identify those who would have information about the sex | 0120.00 14 get a cooperation deal from the law enforcement agency. trafficking organization. And my -- based on all the or2a12 15 He was talking -- let's be clear. He was evidence I have, I believe the names that were circled o2014 16 talking to somebody he understood was an FBI agent at were those who would have that kind of information. o2017 17 the time, and so that was the context of the Q. So is it your testimony that if the name is o12018 18 conversation. circled, it indicates that they have information, or o12a19 19 Q. Do you have any personal knowledge that it's that they are criminals? or2022 20 in the context of talking to the FBI that Mr. Rodriguez A. That they would have information about the 0129.25 21 circled those names? sex trafficking organization, and that would probably o1202 22 A. Ihave reviewed -- I know I could refresh my mean that they were part of the organization. It may o12930 23 +~recollection here, but there's an FBI 302, a report of mean that they were witnesses to what the organization | 012923 24 interview of the circumstances surrounding was doing. ot2933 25 Mr. Rodriguez's arrest, and I believe I reviewed that ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS (954) 331-4400 (954) 331-4400 225 227 But they would have information that the FBI, o2e3e 1 302. among other law enforcement agencies, should be orzes9 «2 Q. Do you know whether the FBI, at any point, following up on, if they are trying to piece together o12047 3 contacted Professor Dershowitz to discuss any evidence what the sex trafficking organization was doing. 012953 4 he might have after his name was circled on this Q. Would you agree that a fair-minded person, otzess § document? with that background that you just described, would not otaes7 6 A. Idon't have personal knowledge of what the go to the conclusion that the fact that a name is or20s0 7 FBI did to follow up after that. circled indicates that that person has engaged in or3001 § Q. Okay. One of the names that's circled in the criminal conduct? o13005 9 book is Courtney Love. Do you know who she is? A. They -- what it would indicate is that they or3003 10 A. Not off the top of my head, no. had information relevant to criminal activity. Now, 013012 11 Q. If I mention to you or if I represent that would they on the -- just the fact that a name was or3016 12 she's a famous actress, any reason to question that? circled, standing alone, reach that conclusion? orz019 13 A. No. Well, that's a hypothetical question because o1:3021 14 Q. In your view, was Courtney Love involved in obviously in this case, there's lots of other 013025 15 sex trafficking? information, ors026 16 A. Idon't know, Q. Did you understand -- it is true, is it not, 013027 17 Q. In your view, was Courtney Love a witness to that Mr. Rodriguez was trying to sell that book? o13032 18 sex trafficking? A. That's true. o130:03 19 A. If--is there a way -- are you representing Q. And is it not also true that the people who 013033 20 her name is circled? are circled are famous people? o13038 21 Q. Her name is circled on the book. In fact, we A. I'd have to refresh my recollection as to o1:30:40 22 can show it -- exactly who was circled, but I know that some famous or3040 23 A. Okay. Yeah. people were circled and some famous people were not ovz040 24 Q. It is circled on the book. circled. 01:30:42 25 A. Okay. Sure. Yeah, I mean, my -~ my ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS (954) 331-4400 19 of 46 sheets Page 224 to 227 of 335 ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS (954) 331-4400 10/20/2015 01:08:15 PM HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_010859