ORIGINAL [EFTA00008585]

ORIGINAL \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n26 \nPage 1 \nUNITED STATES GRAND JURY \nSOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK \nUNITED STATES OF AMERICA \n-v-\nJEFFREY EPSTEIN, \nDefendant. \nAPPEARANCES: \nX \nAugust 2018 \n: Additional \n• • \nUNITED STATES COURTHOUSE \n40 Foley Square \nNew York, New York 10007 \nJuly 2, 2019 \n12:43 p.m. \nAssistant \nAssistant \nAssistant \nESQ. \nUnited States \nESQ. \nUnited States \nESQ. \nUnited States \nAttorney \nAttorney \nAttorney \nActing Grand Jury Reporter \nFink & Carney Reporting and Video Services \n39 West 37th Street *New York, New York 10018 \n(800) NYC-FINK • (212) 869-3063 \nGM_GLSDNY_00000089 \nEFTA00008585\n\n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n26 \nPage 2 \n• \n7/2/19 \n(Colloquy Precedes.) \n(Witness Enters Room.) \n(Time noted: 12:47 p.m.) \ncalled as a witness, having \nbeen first duly sworn by the Foreperson of the Grand \nJury, was examined and testified as follows: \nEXAMINATION \nBY MS. \nQ. Could you please state and spell your name for \nthe record? \nA. \nQ. Good afternoon, Special Agent \nA. Good afternoon. \nQ. Where do you work? \nA. The FBI. \nQ. What's your title at the FBI? \nA. Special agent. \nQ. How long have you worked as a special agent \nfor the FBI? \nA. For over two years now. \nQ. Did you testify before this grand jury on \nJune 18th, 2019? \nA. I did. \nQ. Can you just remind the grand jury about your \nbackground? What types of work do you do at the FBI? \nFink & Carney Reporting and Video Services \n39 West 37th Street * New York, New York 10018 \n(800) NYC-FINK * (212) 869-3063 \nGM_GLSDNY_00000090 \nEFTA00008586\n\n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n26 \nPage 3 \n• \n7/2/19 \nA. I work on the Violent Crimes Against Children \nSquad, so we work child exploitation, human \ntrafficking, and international parental kidnapping \nmatters. \nQ. Have you participated in an investigation of \nJeffrey Epstein and his associates? \nA. Yes. \nQ. Have you spoken to other people, including \nother law enforcement officers, about this \ninvestigation? \nA. Yes. \nQ. Have you reviewed reports and documents \nprepared by others regarding this case? \nA. Yes. \nQ. And is your testimony today based in part on \nthose conversations with other law enforcement officers \nand documents that you have reviewed? \nA. Yes. \nMS. \nLadies and gentlemen, some of the \ntestimony that you're going to hear today will \ninclude hearsay. As you know, that means that the \nwitness will not be testifying solely from her own \nobservations, but that she'll also be reporting \nwhat others have told her and what she's read in \nreports and documents prepared by others. \nFink & Carney Reporting and Video Services \n39 West 37th Street • New York, New York 10018 \n(800) NYC-FINK' (212) 869-3063 \nGM_GLSDNYJOM0091 \nEFTA00008587\n\n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n26 \nPage 4 \n• \n7/2/19 \nAs you know, hearsay evidence is admissible in \nthese grand jury proceedings, and you're free to \nrely on it in determining whether there is \nprobable cause to indict the proposed defendant. \nIf, however, you would like to hear the \ntestimony of any other witness, you have the right \nto request it, and we will make reasonable efforts \nto bring that witness before you. \nBY MS. \nQ. So, Special Agent \nI placed in front of \nyou a stack of exhibits. I want to talk through them \nnow one by one. \nWe were discussing earlier that you recall \ntestifying before this grand jury on June 18, 2019;. is \nthat correct? \nA. Yes. \nQ. So, I placed in front of you what's marked as \nGrand Jury Exhibit 3. Is that a fair and accurate \ntranscript of your testimony on that date? \nA. Yes. \nQ. I've also placed in front of you Grand Jury \nExhibit 1. Is that a PowerPoint presentation that you \nreviewed with this grand jury on June 18th, 2019? \nA. Yes. \nQ. So picking up where we left off last time, I \nFink & Carney Reporting and Video Services \n39 West 37th Street " New York, New York 10018 \n(800) NYC-FINK " (212) 869-3063 \nGM_GUDNY_00000092 \nEFTA00008588\n\n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n26 \nPage 5 \n7/2/19 \nwant to follow up regarding the presentation. If you \ncould turn to page 28 of that presentation. \nNow, Special Agent \ndo you recall \ntestifying about your interviews with a young woman \nnamed \nA. Yes. \nQ. And do you recall that there was a question \nfrom the grand jury about the date on one of the slides \nin this presentation? \nA. Yes. \nQ. Just want to follow up on that. So on this \npage, just to orient ourselves, do you recall \ntestifying about phone records of a call between a \nphone number subscribed to \nand \n's cell phone on January 3rd? \nA. Yes. \nQ. Have you reviewed the underlying phone records \nthat are excerpted in this slide? \nA. Yes. \nQ. Is the call highlighted on this slide from \nJanuary 3rd, 2005? \nA. Yes. \nQ. Directing your attention to the top of the \nslide where it says 2004, is that a typo? \nA. Yes. \nFink & Carney Reporting and Video Services \n39 West 37th Street • New York, New York 10018 \n(800) NYC-FINK • (212) 869-3063 \nGM_GJ_SDNY_00000093 \nEFTA00008589\n\n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n26 \nPage 6 \n7/2/19 \nQ. Have you confirmed that the underlying records \nare, in fact, from January 3rd, 2005? \nA. Yes. \nQ. Turning to the next slide, on page 29. So the \nheader on this slide is January 4, 2005. Is that the \nsame date that's on the deposit slip excerpted in that \nslide? \nA. Yes. \nQ. So does the date on this slide accurately \nreflect the date on the deposit slip? \nA. Yes. \nQ. So when you testified that based on the phone \nrecords we just discussed and this deposit slip, that \nit appears that they were on back-to-back days, was \nthat in fact accurate? \nA. Yes. \nQ. All right. So I want to switch gears now and \nask you, do you recall testifying before this grand \njury regarding a woman named\nA. Yes. \nQ. If you could turn now to what's before you and \nmarked Grand Jury Exhibit 4. Do you recognize this? \nA. Yes. \nQ. What is this document? \nA. So this is a list of messages that to \nthat \nFink & Carney Reporting and Video Services \n39 West 37th Street • New York, New York 10018 \n(800) NYC-FINK * (212) 869-3063 \nGM_GJ_SDNY_00000094 \nEFTA00008590\n\nPage 7 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n26 \n• \n7/2/19 \nappear to be left for Jeffrey Epstein. \nQ. Taking a step back for a moment, how did the \nFBI obtain this document? \nA. We received this from the Palm Beach Police \nDepartment. \nQ. What is your understanding, based on your \nreview of law enforcement reports and your review of \nthe case file, of how the Palm Beach Police Department \nobtained this document? \nA. They would have received it from a trash pull. \nSo a trash pull is, one of the detectives had gone to \nthe residence and went through the trash that was left \non the curb. \nQ. Is this document from one of those trash \npulls? \nA. Yes. \nQ. Approximately when was this pulled from the \ntrash, based on your review of law enforcement reports? \nA. April 13, 2005. \nQ. In a previous presentation, you discussed a \nnumber of residences. Do you know specifically where \nthis was pulled from the trash? \nA. The Palm Beach residence. \nQ. Did you personally participate in gathering \nthis evidence? \ny \n• \n- \nFink & Carney Reporting and Video Services \n39 West 37th Street * New York, New York 10018 \n(800) NYC-FINK • (212) 869-3063 \nGM_GUDNY_00000095 \nEFTA00008591\n\n1 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n26 \nPage 8 \n7/2/19 \nA. I was not a part of the trash pull, but I have \nreceived the evidence since. \nQ. So let's talk through this document. \nLooking first at the first page at the top, \nwhat does this document appear to be? \nA. It's records listed for Jeffrey Epstein, \n4/11/2005 to 4/11/2005. \nQ. What are the fields at the top? \nA. So the left side has who it's from, the middle \nhas the message, and then on the right it has -- some \nof them have phone numbers listed. \nQ. Does the name \nappear in this document? \nA. Yes. \nQ. Let's turn to the fourth page of this \ndocument. Focusing on the last line, do you see where \nit says callers? \nA. Yes. \nQ. What is listed in the field to the right? \nA. It lists \nQ. Turning to page 2 of this document, focusing \non the bottom three lines, can you point out to the \ngrand jury where you see the name \nat the bottom \nof this document? \nA. So \nis listed twice. \nFink & Carney Reporting and Video Services \n39 West 37th Street * New York, New York 10018 \n(800) NYC-FINK • (212) 869-3063 \nGNI_GJ_SDNY_00000096 \nEFTA00008592\n\n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n26 \nPage 9 \n7/2/19 \n(Indicating.) \nQ. What are the messages to the right of the name \nA. The first message lists, I'm back in New York. \nQ. What's the second one? \nA. \nis back. \nQ. Is there a phone number listed next to the \nmessage? \nA. Yes. \nQ. And what is the area code for that phone \nnumber? \ncode? \nA. \nQ. Does that appear to be a New York City area \nA. Yes. \nQ. In your interviews with \nhave\nyou asked her whether or not she recognizes this phone \nnumber? \nA. Yes. \nQ. What did she tell you? \nA. She did not recognize it. \nQ. What, if anything, did she tell you about the \nphones that she was using during this time period? \nA. She said that she was using a lot of different \nphones, that she'd gone a lot of different places, so \n _ \nFink & Carney Reporting and Video Services \n39 West 37th Street • New York, New York 10018 \n(800) NYC-FMK' (212) 869-3063 \nGM_GJ_SDNY_00000097 \nEFTA00008593\n\n1 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n26 \n39 West 37th Street • New York, New York 10018 \nPage 10 \n7/2/19 \nshe didn't recall all the numbers that she had used in \nthe past \nQ. Have you obtained phone records for this phone \nnumber? \nA. Yes. \nQ. Who was listed for the subscriber in 2005? \nA. It came back to an individual in Maspeth. \nQ. Based on your participation in this \ninvestigation, does that particular individual have any \nsignificance to this investigation, as far as you can \ntell? \nA. No. \nQ. If these messages had been left by \nin \nNew York, would some type of communication have had to \noccur across state lines in order for these messages to \nhave been found in Florida? \nA. Yes. \nQ. Do you recall testifying about \nand \nhaving remembered receiving phone calls \nfrom Epstein's assistant, Mt \nA. Yes. \nQ. Did they recall that occasionally when they \nwould get phone calls from MB \nthat she would say \nthat she was calling from New York? \nA. Yes. \nFink & Carney Reporting and Video Services \n(800) NYC-FINK • (212) 869-3063 \nGM_GLSDNY_00000098 \nEFTA00008594\n\n1 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \na \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n26 \nPage 11 \nQ. If \n7/2/19 \nand \nwere in Florida when they \ngot those calls and those calls had, in fact, been \nplaced from New York, would those calls have traveled \nacross state lines? \nA. Yes. \nQ. A few final questions about \nIn your conversations with her, did she ever describe \nto you receiving phone calls regarding the massages \nthat she was scheduling? \nA. Yes. \nQ. Who would call her? \nA. MM. \nQ. Did she recall speaking to anyone else on the \nphone? \nA. Epstein. \nQ. And did she explain the context in which she \nwould receive calls and speak to Epstein? \nA. Yes. She said that when she spoke with \nEpstein on the phone, it would always be through \nIIIIII/ So \nwould contact her and then put him \non the phone to speak with her. \nQ. What was her understanding of who \nwas? \nA. His assistant. \nQ. In these conversations with \nand \nEpstein, did \nrecall whether or not either of \nFink & Camcy Reporting and Video Services \n39 West 37th Street • New York, New York 10018 \n(800) NYC-FINK • (212) 869-3063 \nGM_GLSDNY_00000099 \nEFTA00008595\n\n1 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n26 \n39 West 37th Street • New York, New York 10018 \nPage 12 \n7/2/19 \nthem had ever asked her to bring a particular girl to \nthe house? \nA. Yes. \nQ. Did she recall whether \never asked her \nto bring a particular girl? \nA. Yes. \nQ. What does she remember about that? \nA. That \nwould ask her, do you have this \nparticular girl or can this girl come tonight or on \nwhatever day that they had chosen. \nQ. When she would speak with Epstein on the \nphone, did she recall whether or not Epstein would ever \nask her to bring a particular girl? \nA. Yes. \nQ. What did she remember about that? \nA. Along the same lines, can you bring this girl. \nQ. Just one moment. \nSpecial Agent \nhave you told the grand \njury everything that you know about this case, or have \nyou just answered the questions that I've asked? \nA. I've just answered the questions you've asked. \nQ. When you testified about the documents you \nreviewed or the conversations that you had with.others, \nwere you testifying to the exact words that were used \nor just the substance of the documents or \nFink & Carney Reporting and Video Services \n(800) NYC-FINK • (212) 869-3063 \nGM_GJ_SDNY_00000I00 \nEFTA00008596\n\n1 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n26 \nPage 13 \n• \n7/2/19 \nconversations? \nA. Substance. \nQ. Are you willing to return to the grand jury if \nthe grand jury has any further questions for you? \nA. Yes. \nMS. \nWith the Foreperson's permission, I \nwould ask that Special Agent \nbe excused. \nTHE FOREPERSON: You're excused. \n(Witness Excused.) \n(Time noted: 1:00 p.m.) \n(Colloquy Follows.) \nFink & Carney Reporting and Video Services \n39 West 37th Street * New York, New York 10018 \n(800) NYC-FINK * (212) 869-3063 \nGM_GI_SDNY_00000101 \nEFTA00008597\n\n1 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n16 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n26 \nPage 14 \nCERTIFICATE \nSTATE OF NEW YORK \nCOUNTY OF KINGS \n) \n) \nhereby certify \nthat the foregoing is a true and accurate \ntranscript, to the best of my skill and ability, \nfrom my stenographic notes of this proceeding. \nActive Grand Jury Reporter \nFink & Carney Reporting and Video Services \n39 West 37th Street * New York, New York 10018 \n(800) NYC-FINK * (212) 869-3063 \nGM_GLSDNY_00000102 \nEFTA00008598