2006 Jeffrey Epstein grand jury

IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE FIFTEENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT IN AND FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY, FLORIDA Case No. 50-2019-CA-014681-AG CA FLORIDA HOLDINGS, LLC, Publisher of THE PALM BEACH POST, Plaintiff, vs. JOSEPH ABRUZZO, as Clerk and Comptroller of Palm Beach County, Florida, Defendants. _________________________________/ ORDER GRANTING PLAINTIFF’S MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION OF THE TRIAL COURT’S FEBRUARY 29, 2024 ORDER AND CANCELING JULY 8, 2024 HEARING THIS CAUSE, having come before the Court on The Palm Beach Post’s Motion for Reconsideration of The Trial Court’s February 29, 2024 Order, filed on June 12, 2024, and the Court, having considered the Motion, being advised of the arguments of the parties, and being otherwise advised of the premises, the Court Grants the Motion for Reconsideration and adjudicates the following: Procedural History In 2019, The Palm Beach Post commenced this action seeking a declaration authorizing the release of testimony and related evidence presented to the Palm Beach County grand jury in 2006 during the first Jeffrey Epstein (“Epstein”) sex abuse investigation. On December 21, 2021, the trial court entered a Final Judgment dismissing The Palm Beach Post’s First Amended Complaint on the grounds that the Court lacked the statutory authority, under Florida Statute 905.27, to order the release of the Epstein grand jury materials. On May 10, 2023, the Fourth District Court of Appeal remanded the case to the Circuit Court to conduct an in camera inspection of the Epstein grand jury materials to determine whether public disclosure would be “furthering justice” as defined by Florida Statute 905.27. The Court ultimately determined the request did not further justice under the law as it existed at the time. The Court stated that it must follow the law and cannot create new law. Law making is a process that belongs exclusively to the people of Florida when they speak through their legislature and the executive branches. This concept is rudimentary and basic civics. The Courts interpret law - THE COURTS DO NOT MAKE LAW. It is also important to note, that without an amendment to the statute, Grand Jury proceedings are generally always kept secret and are closed to the public. This is generally to protect jurors, witnesses, those accused, and the integrity of the case. Secrecy allows people to serve as jurors and witnesses to testify without fear of outside influence or retaliation. In some cases, it also ensures the protection of an innocent suspect’s reputation. Secrecy also makes it less likely that a defendant will abscond after learning they are being investigated. While those do not apply to Epstein, the law at the time did not carve out an exception. During this time, among others, the Clerk of Court, Mr. Joseph Abruzzo, a former state legislator with vast experience in the legislative process, advocated to state legislators to amend the law. Their efforts were successful. Florida’s Legislature unanimously passed Bill HB 117. Once the bill passed both of the legislative houses, the Governor of Florida Ron DeSantis very quickly signed CS/HB117 amending Florida Statute 905.27 effective July 1, 2024. This amendment significantly modified the definition of “furthering justice” to expressly include furthering a public interest when the disclosure is requested pursuant to paragraph 905.27(2)(c). It cannot be understated that the amendment to the law very clearly allows what previously was not legally permissible. The Court’s Order denying the release of the records also gave leave of Court for The Palm Beach Post to file a motion for reconsideration after July 1, 2024 - under the new statute. On June 12, 2024, The Palm Beach Post moved for reconsideration of the Trial Court’s order based on the Florida Statute 905.27, as amended on July 1, 2024. It cannot be disputed that the 2024 amendments to Florida Statute 905.27 were intended to remove the prior statutory hurdles to disclosure of the Epstein grand jury materials. In fact, the Court notes the bill was often called the “Epstein Grand Jury Bill” recognizing the prior statutory construction did not allow release of these records. In the official press release, Gov. DeSantis explained his reasons for signing of CS/HB 117 into law. Gov. DeSantis stated, “The public deserves to know who participated in the Jeffery Epstein sex trafficking. Nobody should be protected from facing justice due to their wealth, or status, and those who harm children should be exposed and punished to the fullest extent of the law.” Conclusions of Fact and Law Florida Statute 905.27(2)(c) now reads as follows: When a court orders the disclosure of such testimony pursuant to subsection (1) in response to a request by the media or an interested person, regardless of whether that purpose is for use in a criminal or civil case, it may be disclosed so long as the subject of the grand jury inquiry is deceased, the grand jury inquiry related to criminal or sexual activity between the subject of the grand jury investigation and a person who was a minor at the time of the alleged criminal or sexual activity, the testimony was previously disclosed by a court order, and the state attorney is provided notice of the request. This paragraph does not limit the court's ability to limit the disclosure of testimony, including, but not limited to, redaction. With that new legal mechanism in place, the Court makes the Following Findings. The Court finds that the request involves a matter of public interest. The criminal prosecutions of the most infamous pedophile in American history began in Palm Beach County – with much controversy. For almost 20 years, the story of how Jeffrey Epstein victimized some of Palm Beach County’s most vulnerable has been the subject of much anger and has at times diminished the public’s perception of the criminal justice system. Adding to the public interest, Epstein is indeed notorious and infamous and is widely reported to have flaunted his wealth while cavorting with politicians, billionaires, and even British Royalty. It is understandable that given those reports the public has a great curiosity about what was widely reported by news agency as “special treatment” regarding his prosecution. This matter is clearly the subject of public interest. The Court finds that this request is made by the news media, specifically The Palm Beach Post. The Palm Beach Post is a daily newspaper that was founded in 1916 as a local publication in West Palm Beach. For decades, the Palm Beach Post was printed and published daily in Palm Beach County. The Court finds that despite its many changes, The Palm Beach Post has a long and rich history documenting our local community. Many local residents still rely on The Palm Beach Post to obtain information on national, state, and local events. The Palm Beach Post remains a newspaper of record in our county. The Court finds Epstein is also widely reported to have been deceased since August 10, 2019, under controversial and “newsworthy” circumstances, while under “supervision” at Metropolitan Correctional Center in the state of New York. This adds to the public interest. Having reviewed the testimony, the Court also finds the testimony relates to sexual activity between Epstein and child victims of sex trafficking. Again, it is widely accepted that Epstein is a notorious and serial pedophile. The testimony taken by the Grand Jury concerns activity ranging from grossly unacceptable to rape – all of the conduct at issue is sexually deviant, disgusting, and criminal. The details in the record will be outrageous to decent people. It is also important to note that some of the testimony in the records of Epstein’s pedophilia involved other people, but there is nothing in this record that was outside the knowledge of law enforcement or Prosecutors – there is no new information. Tragically, the record reveals that Epstein used children to find more victims. The record also shows that some of the children knew the type of people they could be exposed to and the infamous nature of such “notable” people. The Court also notes the testimony was previously disclosed to law enforcement agencies. Furthermore, the State Attorney was properly noticed and long ago withdrew any objections to release the records and early on even did his best to disclose the information in his office’s possession without delay via an internet portal. As a result, he was eventually dropped as a named party in this action after much inconvenience and expense. IT IS ORDERED AND ADJUDGED, The Motion for Reconsideration is GRANTED. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED AND ADJUDED, The hearing scheduled for July 8, 2024 is moot and is canceled. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED AND ADJUDED, The Palm Beach Post’s petition to release the Grand Jury proceedings regarding Jeffery Epstein under Florida Statute 905.27 as amended July 1, 2024 is also GRANTED. With only a few redactions made by the Court to protect the identity of the minors, The Court hereby authorizes the Clerk of Court to release the redacted Clerks Notes and transcripts of the testimony in their entirety (attached as Exhibit “A”). The Court is not aware of anything more to review and disclose. DONE and ORDERED at West Palm Beach, Palm Beach County, Florida. Exhibit A Composite:  EH I | FE | | | [11] i +4 - H i fi LL LL i § lg |} | | | i nn g a | SHH [] J En Yioigem 5H | i 33 38 INES | CHE BEEN) LH iii HEH fd MEEEEEEUENNNANI GG  iy 7/18 bo Gel ong Orini eppoit dhe Sosislpldo) 77: Fp Loboh in lho TM 12 or HDL io 7:14.18 ral Cale Agenisy J 1505 wir Let imsdled vl dls 15°29 lay) cp cere Dp PGA D. } e.0t whe! RI 757 ios pley 44 10:0» 2d iby 1 od ht 176 Joe “A . ] 17.37 Ges apy crpte 18.09 nde? ed 18.5 wht? 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Ft vee 37. 88 ST i 38.00 (hy {ly tgued wits. pe dik Ap, 2866 Phd coe Hb Teor  1 1 IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE 2 FIFTEENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT IN AND FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY, FLORIDA 3 4 5 6 GRAND JURY PROCEEDINGS (IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN) 7 8 9 10 1 12 13 ON BEHALF OF THE STATE: 14 BARRY KRISCHER, ESQUIRE State Attorney 15 401 North Dixie Highway West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 16 By: LANNA BELOHLAVEK, ESQUIRE and 17 MARY ANN DUGGAN, ESQUIRE Assistant State Attorneys 18 19 20 21 22 23 Wednesday, July 19, 2006 Grand Jury Room 24 Palm Beach County Courthouse 9:14 a.m. to 12:52 p.m. 25  2 1 2 INDEX 3 PAGE 4 WITNESS: 5 JOE RECAREY 3 6 CU — 10 7 JOE RECAREY (Recalled) 50 8 GREGORY PARKINSON 102 9 JOE RECAREY (Recalled) 119 10 —— 121 1 JENSEN ROSS 140 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  3 1 BE IT REMEMBERED that the following 2 proceedings were had at the Palm Beach County 3 Courthouse, located in the City of West Palm 4 Beach, State of Florida on Wednesday, July 19, 5 2006 beginning at 9:14 a.m. with appearances as 6 hereinbefore noted, to wit: 7 THEREUPON: 8 MS. DUGGAN: Everybody ready? 9 (WITNESS JOE RECAREY) 10 MS. DUGGAN: Would you raise your 1 right hand. Do you swear or affirm that 12 the testimony you're about to give today 13 will be the truth, the whole truth, and 14 nothing but the truth, so help you God? 15 THE WITNESS: I do. 16 MS. DUGGAN: Please have a seat. 7 THE WITNESS: Thank you. 18 EXAMINATION 19 BY MS. BELOHLAVEK: 20 Q. Good morning. 21 A. Good morning. 22 Q. Detective Recarey, could you introduce 23 yourself, please? 24 A. My name is Detective Joe Recarey with Palm 25 Beach Police Department.  4 1 Q. Okay. What is your position there? 2 A. I am a detective in the special 3 investigations unit. 4 0. What do you investigate in special 5 investigations? 6 A. Long term investigations, financial crimes, 7 white-collar crimes, just about any -- any kind of 8 crimes. 9 Q. Okay. Ones that are going on for a long 10 period of time though, usually? 1 A. Correct, long period. 12 Q. Not a murder that happened last night? 13 A. Right. 14 Q. Okay. Did you become involved in an 15 investigation under case number 05003682 16 A. That is correct. 17 Q. When did you become involved in this? 18 A. In Sep -- in September of 2005. 19 Q. Okay. Was there another detective 20 investigating this case before then? 21 A. That is correct. Her name was Michele 22 Pagan. 23 Q. Okay. And she, at some point, turned it 24 over to you? 25 A. Correct.  5 1 Q. Have you familiarized yourself, either 2 speaking with Detective Pagan or going through her 3 reports, as to what was done when she was the 4 detective on the case? 5 A. Yes, I have. 6 Q. Okay. How did this case come to the 7 attention of the Palm Beach Police Department? 8 A. On March 14, 2005 a phone call was received 9 fron EEEENSSSSSNN, who felt that there was a == 10 some sexual activity had occurred with the -- her 1 daughter. 12 Q. Okay. And HESSEN none is EEE 13 14 2 —— 15 Q. Okay. And who was her daughter? 16 A. Her stepdaughter is IESESGEGEGSG. by] 0. What did EESSSNENENNEN think was going on? 18 A. What had occurred was that NEEEN had gotten 19 into a fight at HEEESEGNGN School. And 20 subsequent, after the fight, they discovered $300 21 in her purse. 22 When questioning the $300, she had told ‘em 23 that she had received it from a man in Palm Beach. 24 Q. Okay. Did NEES :1so overhear a 25 conversation where they were talking about sex?  6 1 That NEEM might have accepted money for having 2 sex with the man? 3 A. Um, yes, that is correct. She had some 4 kind of sexual activity with a man in Palm Beach. 5 Q. And was paid for it? 6 A. Correct. 7 Q. Okay. Was Detective Pagan able to find out 8 the circumstances about why the fight occurred? 9 A. It was rumored that she had slept with a 10 man in Palm Beach, in -- at IEEEEEEG—E 1 School. 12 Q. she, being EEN? 13 A. — 14 Q. Okay. 15 A. Correct. 16 Q. And she heard the rumor that she was a 17 prostitute, and that's what started the fight? 18 A. Correct. 19 Q. Who did she have the fight with? 20 A. A girl by the name of HESSEN. 21 Q. Okay. Where -- the fight occurred at 22 school? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. Who actually found the money in NEN 25 purse?  7 1 A. The Freshman Assistant Principal. 2 Q. Okay. How much money was in the purse? 3 A. 300. 4 Q. Was Detective Pagan able to interview 5 — 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. Where did that occur? 8 A. That occurred at the Palm Beach Police 9 Department. 10 Q. Okay. Did NEES initially -- was [EEE 1 initially honest with Detective Pagan? 12 A. Originally she did not tell everything that 13 occurred. It was through a subsequent interview 14 that the -- further information was developed. 15 Q. What did EEEEE tell Detective Pagan 16 initially? 17 A. Initially, that she had gone to the house 18 with a girl by the name of EENSSSEEENEN to pick up 19 monies that were owed to her. 20 When she -- Detective Pagan further 21 questioned her, she explained that -- that she was 22 taken to the house to provide a massage to a 23 wealthy man in Palm Beach. 24 Q. Okay. She initially denied that though, 25 and said there was no act on her part between this  8 1 man and herself? 2 A. Correct. 3 Q. Okay. But she ultimately told them that 4 she went for a massage? 5 A. Correct. 6 Q. To give him a massage? 7 A. Correct. 8 0. Okay. Did NEEEN discuss with Detective 9 Pagan that -- what NEES had told her about going 10 to the house? 1 Like, did you know EEEEN was going to bring 12 you here to do a massage and that you were going 13 to get money? 14 A. Yes. 15 ©. What did EEEEN say NEEM explained to her? 16 A. Originally -- let me -- if I can read this. 17 originally, the first interview was done, 18 I'm sorry, at EEEESEGCGCGN School. 19 She was going to the house to provide the 20 massage. It was offered to her by HENNE tO 21 provide the massage to this man who was later 22 identified as Jeffrey Epstein. 23 Q. Okay. Did NEEEN admit to Detective Pagan 24 knowing that ENEEEEE worked for this man in 25 exchange for doing sexual favors?  9 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. Did she say that she was offered the 3 opportunity to do those, and that's why she went 4 there? 5 A. Yes. 6 Q. Okay. Did Detective Pagan ask NENEN if she 7 ever discussed with EEE about letting this man 8 know her age? 9 A. Um, it was discussed in the ride over that 10 if she -- she would asked her age, to say that she 1 was 18. 12 0. Okay. And EEEEEN and NEEM agreed that she 13 was going to do that, if asked? 14 A. Yes. : 15 0. okay. 16 MS. BELOHLAVEK: At this point we're 17 going to ask NEEEN to testify. Okay? 18 THE WITNESS: Okay. 19 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Please hang around. 20 You're going to testify again in a little 21 bit. 22 THE WITNESS: Yes. 23 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Thank you. 24 (Witness excused.) 25  10 1 (WITNESS E— 2 MS. DUGGAN: Come on in. We're going 3 to have you sit over here. 4 Could you raise your right hand for 5 ne? 6 Do you swear or affirm that the 7 testimony you're about to give today will 8 be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing 9 but the truth, so help you God? 10 THE WITNESS: I do. 1 MS. DUGGAN: When you're here 12 testifying everything's recorded with a 13 microphone system, so you have to -- you 14 can put your hand down -- you have to 15 answer as you did, verbally, or -- you 16 can't shake your head, because that won't 17 be recorded in the system that's going on. 18 So you have to say yes or no, you can't 19 shake your head. 20 And one important thing is, you're 21 here today before the grand jury, and it is 22 a crime to lie to the grand jury. And in 23 our terms we call it perjury, but in 24 regular peoples’ terms it's lying to the 25 grand jury.  1 1 So there's one important rule here 2 today. You must tell them the truth, 3 100 percent the truth. There is -- cause 4 you cannot -- there's no penalty for 5 telling the truth. 6 It's the opposite. If it can be 7 shown -- proven that you lied to the grand 8 jury, there is a crime of perjury. 9 Do you understand that? 10 THE WITNESS: Mm-hmm. 1 MS. DUGGAN: Is that a yes? 12 THE WITNESS: Yes. 13 MS. DUGGAN: Okay. So move up to the 14 microphone a little bit. And be sure that 15 you speak yes or no, and so that even the 16 folks in the top of this room can hear your 17 answers. Okay? 18 THE WITNESS: Okay. 19 EXAMINATION 20 BY MS. BELOKLAVEK: 21 ©. All right. Could you tell us who you are? 22 A. I'm EEE 23 Q. How old are you, EEE? 24 A. 1s. 25 Q. What's your birthday?  12 1 A. EEE, 1990. 2 0. How old were you in February of 2005? 3 A. Iwas 14 still. 4 Q. 14 or 152 s A. I was 14 still. Well, this happened when I 6 was 14, so. 7 Q. You turned -- 8 A. 15, in EEN of that year. 9 Q. And you just turned 16? 10 A. Yeah. 1 Q. Okay. So you were just short of 157 12 A. Mm-hmm. 13 Q. All right. Where do you live? 14 A. I live in S— 15 Q. Where do you go to school? 16 A. I'm going to be starting school at ENE 17 E— School. 18 Q. Okay. That's NESSES school -- 19 A. Mu-hmn. 20 Q. -- out in -- 21 A. In -- 22 Q. Go ahead. 23 he — 24 0. Okay. Where did you go to high school in 25 2005?  13 1 A. E— 2 Q. Where is that? 3 A. In EEE 4 ©. On what road? 5 AT -- 6 2 ———— 7 A. Yeah, probably. 8 Q. What grade were you in in 2005 when you 9 were at HESSEN School? 10 A. I was in 9th grade. 1n 0. Did you know someone named NESS? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. How did you know NESSES’ 14 A. 1 used to date her cousin. 15 Q. All right. How old's NEEEN? 16 A. At the time I think she was 18 or 19. I 17 think. 18 Q. Who was her cousin that you dated? 19 A. — 20 Q. Was EEEEN going to school at NEN or 21 did you know her from outside the school? 22 A. I knew her from outside the school. 23 Q. How much contact did you have with NEEEN? 24 A. I met her about -- I met her the night 25 before I went to Jeffrey's house.  14 1 Q. Okay. Tell us about the night when you met 2 — 3 A. Um, I was with my boyfriend NEE at my 4 house. And her -- or his aunt lives like four 5 streets down from mine. So we went to say hi to 6 his aunt and stuff, and EEEE was there. 7 And I was introduced -- 8 Q. Had you met her before that night? 9 A. Um, at like a family football thing. Like, 10 they had a family get-together for a football 1 game, and she was there. 12 Q. Okay. 13 A. But I just said hi to her. 14 Q. All right. 15 A. Like, I never knew, like, who she was. 16 Q. Not a lot -- not a lot of conversations -- 7 A. Yeah. 18 9. -- or -- 19 A. It was just kind of like, hi, nice to meet 20 you. 21 Q. Okay. That night you go down there, you 22 meet her. What happens? 23 A. Yeah. And then it was just kind of like a 24 regular night, and we were hanging out, watching 25 TV. And then, like, it was like 11:30-ish or 10,  15 1 something like that. And she was like, what are 2 you doing tomorrow? 3 And I -- I said, nothing. 4 And then she was like, oh well, do you want 5 to make, like, $200? 6 And I was like, yeah, sure. 7 And then -- and she was like, well, you're 8 going to have to, like, meet my friend Jeffrey. 9 And he lives in a big humongous mansion. And, 10 like, he lives on the water and all this stuff. 1 And then I was like -- like, that's really 12 cool. 13 And then she's like, but you have to give 14 him a massage for like 40 minutes. And that's all 15 you have to do. And you get, like, $200 for it. 16 And it's really easy. 17 And I was like, okay. Like, whatever. 18 It's just a massage. 19 And then NEEM was like -- he was wondering 20 what happened. And then we were just -- told him. 21 And he was, like, arguing with EEEEN. And then 22 him and EEEE went to the bathroom for like a 23 couple minutes to argue. 24 And EEEEM had, like, her boyfriend there. 25 So me and him were stuck in, like, the living room  16 1 watching TV, listening to them argue for a couple 2 minutes. And then they came back out. 3 Then we went outside and EEEEN had called 4 Jeffrey on the phone. And Jeffrey's assistant 5 lady; I don't remember her name; she answered the 6 phone. And she said that she had somebody that 7 could give Jeffrey a massage TOmMOIrow. 8 And the lady asked how old I was. And who 9 I was -- like, what my name was. 10 But NEEM said that, like, I had to be 18. 1 So she told the lady I was 18, and that I went to 12 EEE, and I was a Senior and everything. 13 And so the little assistant lady said, 14 like, okay, that's fine. Come in tomorrow. 15 So then I went home. I -- 16 Q. Okay. Let me stop you there. Couple 17 things. 18 A. Okay. 19 Q. Do you know if NEEEN and NEEM were -- what 20 they were arguing about? 21 A. Yeah. Because NEEM didn't want me to go. 22 Because I guess he knew about -- like my -- his 23 cousin kind of did that already. And -- 24 Q. Did that concern you, that NEEM didn't want 25 you to go and you were agreeing to go anyway?  17 1 A. Well, yeah. Cause -- well, he was -- I was 2 like -- I guess cause I was 14 and he was, like, 3 16 and stuff. And he was just like, don't go. 4 Don't go. Don't go. 5 And I was like, well, it's $200. And I was 6 14, and I was like, $200. So I didn't really care 7 what he said. 8 0. Okay. And from listening to NENEEEN end of 9 that phone conversation, the person at Jeffrey's 10 house was trying to verify that you were at least 1 182 12 A. Mm-hmm. 13 Q. Okay. Is that a yes? 1¢ A. Yes. sorry. 15 0. Okay. 16 A. And -- but, like, after she hung up the 17 phone with the lady she explained to me that -- 18 what -- we went back inside the house and she 19 explained to me that I was going to have to, like, 20 tell the lady -- like, make up a lie about my 21 whole life. Like, that I went -- I'm graduating 22 from NENENNNNEN already, that I'm 18 and all this 23 stuff. And that I've known NEEM for a long time. 24 Like, just to make it look like I was older. 25 And so I agreed to do all that stuff. And  18 1 then I went home for the night. 2 And then the next morning EEEEN and another 3 lady -- like, another teenager girl; I don't 4 remember her name; she was in the truck with her. 5 And, like, we were leaving my house, and -- but my 6 dad saw. And he -- I told him we were going to 7 the mall in Palm Beach. 8 And my dad's like, okay. He didn't have a 9 problem. And since it was NENEEEN -- or EEN 10 cousin, he didn't care that I was going with n — 12 But he met -- like, we were leaving and my 13 dad was coming in the office, they were, like, 1 pulling into my driveway. And he saw NEEM, and 15 BEEN asked my dad for $5 for gas. So my dad 16 said, like, yeah, sure, $5, whatever. And then we 17 left. 18 And then when we got to, um, Jeffrey's 19 house, um == 20 Q. Do you know Jeffrey's full name? 21 A. Jeffrey Epstein or Epstein or -- whatever. 22 Q. Where was the house? 23 A. Um, I -- it's in Palm Beach, whatever. 24 But then when we pull up in the driveway, 25 nobody was there. Like, NENENEN like, he's not  19 1 home. 2 So we walked up anyways. We all got out of 3 the car. And there was like a gate that you have 4 to walk into to go to the back door. And there 5 was like a security guard or whatever. And he has 6 like a little office or -- in the back. 7 And he saw us so he came up to the gate. 8 And he asked us what we were there for. 9 And EEE said, Jeffrey. 10 And so the guy was like, uh, okay. And he 1 opened the gate. 12 All three of us went in, like, to the back 13 door towards the kitchen. Cause I guess the 14 kitchen's right there when you open the door. 15 So we were sitting, like, in a bar like 16 this, and we were waiting for about 15 minutes. 17 And then Jeffrey and the assistant walked in 18 through the back door also. And that's when I 19 first met Jeffrey. And we shook hands. And then 20 the lady also introduced herself too. And then 21 the lady was talking to NEEEN and the other girl 22 for a couple seconds. 23 And then Jeffrey said, who's going to go 24 first or whatever. 25 And EEEEE and the other girl's like, I  20 1 don't care. 2 And then Jeffrey's like, how about you? 3 Pointing to me. 4 And I was like, okay. 5 And then I was, like, looking back at NEEEN 6 and laughing. And then she was just like scooted 7 her hand to go. And she was laughing too. and I 8 was like, okay. 9 So then we -- in the kitchen it was like a 10 little hallway, not really, but it's like a 1 stairway to go upstairs. And we were walking up 12 there. And the assistant lady walked me up there 13 and as Jeffrey was talking to them after. 14 And then she was pointing out like all 15 these pictures and all this stuff and then leading 16 me up to, like, a bathroom. It was, like, really 17 big though. And, like, there was two closets. 18 And then she went into the one closet and 19 pulled out the massage table and set it out in 20 front of, like, this couch. And then she put, 21 like, a -- a little blanket or whatever over the 22 massage table. 23 And then she opened up a drawer. And there 24 was like a whole bunch of different, like, lotions 25 for getting massages. And she just picked, like,  21 1 a couple of 'em out and just set 'em on the vanity 2 table. There was a big, big mirror on the other 3 wall opposite to the massage table. 4 And then -- and then she told me to get 5 un -- well, not undressed, but, like, put -- keep 6 your bra and your panties on. 7 And I was like, okay. 8 And then she said -- 9 Q. Had EEEEE told you about that before? 10 A. No. I thought, like, it was going to be a 1 massage, like, you keep your clothing on. 12 And that -- when I got in the room, that's 13 when the lady, like, explained what I would have 14 to do. Just to get undressed and keep my bra and 15 my panties on. And then -- 16 ©. And did you do that? 17 A. Mm-hmm. 18 0. 1s that a yes? 19 A. Yes. And then to stay in the room for a 20 couple seconds, and then Jeffrey would be coming 21 in the room any minute. 22 And then Jeffrey did come in the room. And 23 he said, hi, and he shook my hand again. But then 24 he went out of the room and he got undressed, but 25 he had a towel on. And then he came into the room  22 1 again and laid belly-down on the massage table. 2 Q. Okay. Stop a minute. 3 What did this man look like? This Jeffrey 4 Epstein? 5 A. old. 6 0. How old? 7 A. Um, he looked like 50-ish maybe. 8 0. okay. 9 A. 40. 10 Q. Hou was he dressed when you initially met 1 him? 12 A. Like he was going golfing. He just had, 13 like, a polo T-shirt on and khaki pants. 14 Q. Okay. And how were you met (sic) when you 15 first went to his -- dressed when you first went 16 to his house? 17 A. Um, I was wearing a regular T-shirt, my 18 Hollister shirt, and just some jeans. 19 Q. Okay. What kind of underwear did you have 20 on? 21 A. A thong. 22 Q. And the bra, what type of bra? 23 A. It was a bra. 24 Q. Okay. No special -- 25 A. Uh-uh.  23 1 0. -- certain type. But thong underwear. 2 Were you uncomfortable getting down to your 3 bra and underwear? 4 A. Uh-huh. Like, at -- I was kind of 5 hesitant. I was, like, sitting in the room for -- 6 until Jeffrey came in, like, thinking like, to 7 myself, well, like, what's going on? 8 Like, I don't know. I was kind of 9 hesitant. But then I just didn't care cause I 10 wanted $200, cause I wanted to spend it. So I 1 just didn't care. I just -- 12 0. Okay. All right. So he comes out and he's 13 in a towel. Start from there. 14 A. And then he, like, laid on the massage 15 table, got on his stomach. And then he told me, 16 like, to grab any of the three lotions that she 17 had put down on the table. And so I just grabbed 18 one of ‘em. 19 And then I just gave -- like, I sat -- 20 first I wasn't sitting on the table, because he 21 was sitting on the table and it was kind of 22 like -- I just stood up. And then I started to 23 give him a massage. And then he's making 24 conversation, asking me exactly what NEEEE was 25 going to tell me to do. Like, if -- what high  24 1 school do you go to, and all this stuff, so. 2 Q. Did he ask you how old you were? 3 A. Oh-huh. And I -- 4 Q. And what did you tell him? 5 A. I told him I was 18. 6 And, um, he asked me, like, what do I like 7 to do for my spare time. 8 And I said, I dance, and all this stuff. 9 And just asking me small talk. 10 And then he's like, oh, well, you don't 1 have to stand up, you can sit on the table. 12 And so I sat on the table and I was giving 13 him a massage. And I think the massage -- it was 14 a couple minutes, like 15 or 20 minutes. And this 15 whole time we were just conversating about 16 anything. 17 And he was telling me how he had another 18 house in New York, and just a whole bunch of stuff 19 that I was, like, amused by. And then after like 20 20 minutes of giving him a massage, or 30 minutes 21 or something -- it was around that time, he asked 22 me if I wanted to make an extra hundred dollars. 23 And all -- that he'd have to use -- 2¢ 0. Before we get there, let me just ask you a 25 couple things. You said that the assistant had  25 1 you undress? 2 A. Mm-hmm. 3 Q. Is that yes? 4 A. Yeah. 5 Q. Do you remember telling Detective Pagan 6 that it was Jeffrey Epstein that asked you to 7 undress? 8 A. No. I'm, like, positive it wasn't Jeffrey. 9 Cause he didn't come in the room till after I was 10 already in my underwear and my bra. 1 Q. Okay. So if that's in her report, that's 12 incorrect? 13 A. Yes. 4 Q. All right. When you talk about getting on 15 the table, do you recall telling Detective Pagan 16 that you were actually straddling him and your -- 17 A. That's -- yeah. That's what -- when I got 18 on the table. Like, after he -- after a couple 19 minutes. 20 0. Okay. And you were straddling him with 21 your bare buttocks to his bare buttocks? 22 A. Yeah. Well, kind of. There was towel 23 that -- like, it was kind of covering his butt but 24 not really covering his butt. It was like not 25 really covering his butt.  26 1 But I was laying, like, on his lower back 2 near his butt. But, like, I wasn't on his butt. 3 Q. So, if she wrote, you stated you exposed -- 4 your bare buttocks were touching his bare 5 buttocks -- 6 A. That'd be kind of correct. 7 Q. Okay. 8 A. And then -- yeah. I guess. 9 Q. All right. 10 A. You could say that. 1 ©. So how long did that go on when you are 12 sitting on top of him? 13 A. The -- until, like, the massage part was 14 over. And then he, like, asked, well, would you 15 like to make an extra hundred dollars? 16 And then I said, sure. 17 And then he's like, but I, um, have to -- 18 like, you're not going to be giving the massage 19 anymore, it's going to be something different. 20 And I was like, well, what is it? 21 And then he's like, um, can I use a 22 vibrator on you? 23 And I said, um, okay. 24 And then -- so then he got up and he went 25 into the -- his, like, other room for a couple  27 1 seconds; like literally a couple seconds; and then 2 came back in the room. 3 And next to the little vanity, big mirror, 4 and all this big table there was, like, on the 5 floor, there was just like the vibrator. Or 6 what -- it looked like a vibrator to me. 7 Q. What did it look like? 8 A. It was, like, purple. And it was like -- 9 it was kind of like a massager but not really. 10 Like, it looked like a massager, but it wasn't 1 really a massager. And -- 12 0. What was it shaped like. 13 A. Um, like circular in the top, and then it 14 was like a handle on the bottom. 15 ©. Okay. All right. 16 A. And then, um, after he grabbed that he laid 17 back on the table, and -- except this time he was 18 on his back. And I was partially on the table, 19 like, half of my butt cheek and my leg was on the 20 table, and the one leg was on the floor. And, 21 like, sometimes I'd put it on the couch. Like, 22 cause the couch was right here and the table was 23 right there, so it was kind of close. 24 And I -- he told me to keep giving him a 25 massage, but to give a massage on his chest.  28 1 Q. So you're sitting on the table now and he's 2 standing up? 3 A. No, no, no. He was laying back on the 4 table, but like I was kind of on the table. Like, 5 half my butt and my leg was on the table, and the 6 other half was, like, par -- like, on the couch. 7 Like, I was holding -- 8 Q. Okay. But he's laying down? 9 A. Uh-huh. 10 Q. Okay. n A. And, um, then I was giving a massage on his 12 chest and he was still talking for a couple 13 minutes. And then he used the vibrator. And, 14 like, that was for like 10 minutes maybe or so, I 15 think. And then -- 16 Q. Now, he -- I have to be detailed here. 17 Where was he using the vibrator? 18 A. Can I say -- along my vagina. 19 0. okay. 20 A. I don't know what else to say. 21 Q. All right. Go ahead. 22 A. Okay. And then -- and then after -- for a 23 couple minutes that's what he was doing. And then 21 he jerked off for like a couple minutes. 25 Like, I was still on the table. And NEE  29 1 told me that if -- if you -- like, if he does 2 that, then you have to get more money, because 3 that's like -- he gives you extra money if he 4 jerks off anyways. Cause I guess it's some -- 5 like his (indiscernible) or whatever. And -- 6 ©. And EEEEE had told you that before? 7 A. Mm-hmm. She -- I -- she told me that, 8 like, the night that I, like, had this whole 9 conversation with her, and she told me about it. 10 Q. Okay. So she just didn't tell you you were 1 going for a massage, she told you that there -- 12 you might have to take your clothes off? 13 A. No. She didn't tell me that I would had to 14 take my clothes off, but she said that if he jerks 15 off in front of you, then you can get more money. 16 Q. Okay. So when he offered you the extra 17 hundred dollars, you had a pretty good idea what 18 was coming next? 19 A. Yeah. 20 0. Okay. 21 A. And, um -- 22 Q. And when you say "jerked off" what do you 23 mean? 24 A. He put his hand on his penis, and started 25 going up and down kind of fast.  30 1 Q. Okay. Could you see his penis at that 2 point? 3 A. Uh-huh. 4 ©. Is that a yes? 5 A. Yes. 6 ©. All right. Go ahead. 7 That went on for how long? 8 A. A couple seconds maybe. Like -- yeah, 9 like, 40 seconds. And then -- and then after 10 that, like, the massage was over. 1 And he went into the -- out of the door 12 back to wherever he goes. I couldn't see where he 13 was going cause the door was this way and he 14 walked out. And I guess he had like a -- his 15 money behind the door, cause it only took a couple 16 of seconds for him to come back in the room. 17 And then he opened his money, like, his 18 wad, and gave me three hundred dollar bills. And 19 told me, thank you. And I -- 20 And then he's like -- there was a note pad 21 there next to the couch -- and told me to write my 22 name and my number; cause I had a cell phone at 23 the time. And he told me to write my cell phone 24 number down, and how he could get hold of me and 25 all this stuff.  31 1 So I wrote my number down, and wrote my 2 name. And then after that he just left the room 3 and told me I could get dressed again and that it 4 was done. I was over. 5 ©. Did you actually see him ejaculate? 6 A. No. 7 Q. Okay. Did he not ejaculate or you didn't 8 see that? 9 A. If he did, I didn't see. 10 Q. Okay. Do you recall telling Detective 1 Pagan it happened in a different sequence? 12 A. Yo. 13 Q. And that he masturbated first before he put bt) the vibrator on your vagina? 15 A. Mmm, maybe. This was like two and a half 16 years ago, so -- 17 0. Okay. 18 A. -- that could have happened. 19 0. Do you recall not telling her about the 20 vibrator at all -- 21 A. Yeah. 22 Q. ~-- the first time you talked to her? 23 A. Yeah I remember that. Because I was 24 scared. 25 0. Okay. Why were you scared about that and  32 1 not scared about telling her that he ejaculated in 2 front of you -- or masturbated in front of you? 3 A. Cause that's his body, and the vibrator's 4 on my body. 5 Q. So you didn't want to admit that you had 6 allowed him to touch you? 7 A. Yeah. 8 Q. Okay. And he gave you $300? 9 A. Uh-huh. 10 Q. You left your number so he could contact 1 you again? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. Okay. When he left the room, what 14 happened? 15 You got dressed. Did he take you 16 downstairs, you go downstairs by yourself? 17 A. I just went downstairs by myself. 18 Q. Who was down there? Was NEEM still down 19 there? 20 A. Uh-huh. The -- EEN was there, and the 21 other girl was there. And the assistant lady, she 22 might have been there, but I don't know. I can't 23 remember. 24 But then after that, we left. Like, they 25 didn't do anything. They didn't -- she got money  33 1 but she didn't do anything. 2 0. WEE -- who? Who is "she"? 3 A. EEE did. 4 Q. Okay. Do you know how much money NEE 5 got? 6 A. I think it was $300 too. 7 Q. okay. 8 A. Or maybe 200. 300. 9 Q. Do you know what that was for? 10 A. No. At the time I -- I thought maybe she 1 did something with somebody else in the house. 12 But then I was, like, thinking there was only 13 Jeffrey and the lady there. Like, I didn't think 14 anything of it. And I -- 15 Q. But did you learn that she got money for 16 bringing you there? 17 A. Yeah. I kind of figured that when I got 18 back home. Like, I was thinking about it for a 19 while. And I realized, well, it's probably cause 20 she brought me. 21 Q. Okay. Did you discuss with EEEEE what 22 happened up in that room? 23 A. Yes. Then when we got in the -- the, um -- 24 back in her truck, um, at first we were all like, 25 un, oh let's go. Let's go spend our money.  34 1 Then she was like, oh, what happened? What 2 did you do? How much money did you get? 3 And I was like, I got $300. And I was 4 like, kind -- I was excited. $300. 5 And then she was like, you got 3007? What 6 did you have to do with him? 7 And then she told -- or I told him -- or 8 her what I did. 9 And then she's like, oh, yeah. Um, I've 10 done that too, blah, blah. 1 And like, you could -- she was -- then she 12 told me, like, what -- what -- like if you do this 13 it's -- you get that; if you do this, and then get 1 that. And she was telling me, like, all this 15 stuff. 16 And then I was, like, laughing about it. 17 Cause I was like, yeah, thanks, you know, for 18 telling me that I'd have to get in my bra. 19 And she's like, oh, sorry. And she's 20 laughing. And then the other girl starts laughing 21 too. And then we all laughed together. 22 And then -- then we went to T.J.Maxx and 23 she got a purse. And I didn't spend any of my 24 money. I kept it in my -- I wanted to spend it, 25 but I didn't want to spend it at T.J.Maxx. I  35 1 wanted to go to the mall or something. So then I 2 kept it in my -- my house. Like, my purse and 3 stuff. And -- 4 Q. Let me stop you there. 5 When you're in the car back with NEEEN, 6 going back, did you and EEEEN discuss doing this 7 again so you could earn more money? 8 A. Yeah. 9 9. Okay. 10 A. I think -- 1 0. Um -- 12 A. -- we had. She -- we didn't plan a -- like 13 any certain date, she was just like -- we didn't, 14 like, plan this or -- like, again, we didn't plan, 15 plan it. I was just like -- she was like, oh, 16 well, if you ever need money again you can always 17 call me and you can come with me. 18 And I said, okay. 19 Q. You don't recall telling Detective Pagan 20 that you made plans to do this every Saturday so 2 you could get rich? 22 A. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. Well, it wasn't like a 23 plan, plan. It was kind of like an imaginary kind 24 of -- every Saturday. Like -- 25 0. Okay.  36 1 A. -- it wasn't for sure. 2 Q. Did you go back to Jeffrey Epstein's house 3 to give him other massages? 4 A. 1 did not. 5 Q. Okay. 6 A. When I was on the phone with the detective, 7 we pretended for NEEEN; cause she was on the other 8 line; we pretended that I was going to go back, 9 but -- just so she could say something. But I 10 never did. 1 Q. Okay. So you did a controlled phone call 12 with EEE? 13 A. Uh-huh. 14 Q. Trying to get her to make admissions? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. Is that a yes? 17 A. Yeah. 18 0. Okay. 19 All right. Was there another reason you 20 sort of didn't go back? That some people might 21 have found out about it or were talking about you? 22 A. Yeah. Um, that's what I was going to get 23 to. 24 At school, um, I had, like, my best friend. 25 And I told her in dance class; cause that's my  37 1 first period, that was my first period class. 2 And, like, right when I got back to school I had 3 the $300 on -- in my purse with me. 4 And I told her, like, if you ever want to 5 make $300, you can come with me, and HENNE will 6 take you. And I didn't say her name, I said like, 7 my friend will take you. And all you have to do 8 is give him a massage and stuff. And I told her 9 what I did. 10 I didn't tell her everything, I didn't tell 1 her the -- the vibrator part; I just left that 12 out. But I told her everything else. 13 And, um, she kind of laughed and giggled. 14 And she's like, okay. I'll keep that in mind. 15 And then, um -- 16 Q. Who was this person that you told? 17 A. SESS and EEEEEN -- vell, she was in 18 the conversation, but she's, like, didn't say 19 anything to anybody. 20 0. mmm—> 21 A. EES. She didn't -- she didn't 22 say anything at first until everybody else found 23 out. 24 And then -- well, after I told NEEEEN, the 25 rest of the day goes by. And she was telling  38 1 people, and, like, telling everybody in school. 2 And then I was like -- I saw her in my gym 3 class that same day and I just confronted her. 4 I was like, well, why are you telling 5 people? And that's kind of my business. And I 6 kind of told you to be nice and not to, like, go 7 around telling people. You're supposed to be my 8 best friend. And then she just laughed about it. 9 So then we got in an altercation in the gym room. 10 Q. Was that a fight? 1 A. Yes. 12 Q. You had a fight? 13 A. I -- we got into a fight. And, um, that's 14 when I had to go to the Principal's office. 15 And EENEEN told why she got in the fight 16 with me. And I told her why she -- why we got in 17 a fight. And I kind of -- we -- at first we both 18 kind of lied about why, cause -- or I did. 19 And then -- and then I was -- just told the 20 Principal she was spreading rumors about me. 21 And then EEEEEN, I guess, told the 22 principal why, like, for real. 23 And so then the Principal, when I had to go 24 in the room, she was like, let me see in your 25 purse.  39 1 And I said, why? 2 And she's like -- asked me if I had any 3 money. 4 And I said, no, I don't have any money on 5 me. 6 And then she said, like, you don't have to 7 lie. You're not going to be in trouble. Give me 8 your purse. 9 And then I gave her my purse. And she 10 found the $300. And she asked me how I got it. 1n And I say, I work at NEN; cause at 12 the time I really did work at HENS. 13 And, um -- 14 Q. Why did you lie to the Assistant Principal? 15 A. Cause I didn't think it was, like, any of 6 her business, like, why we were arguing or 17 anything. 18 And I thought, why would I tell on myself 19 if I'm -- if she doesn't really know anything yet? 20 But then she really did know, cause HENNE 21 told her. 22 And then she -- after she showed -- like, 23 after she took my purse and she looked at the 24 $300, and she -- she didn't believe what I said, 25 like, at all.  40 1 And I just kept lying and, like, saying, 2 no, I got it from EEN. My work, my work. 3 And then she said, you don't have to lie. 4 I know -- I know what happened. 5 And she called my step mom. And my step 6 mom came to the school. And my step mom said, 7 like, you didn't get $300 from your pay check. 8 You're lying. And then that's when -- that's 9 when, like, I don't know, everything kind of came 10 out. 1 And then I -- 12 Q. You didn't tell your parents at first so 13 did you lie to them too? 14 A. I said I was doing drugs, and I was dealing 15 them. Like, I made up any kind of lie. I didn't 16 want to tell 'em what happened. 17 Q. Did there come a time when Detective Pagan 18 got some messages on your phone? 19 A. From -- 20 ©. From EEE? 21 A :S.S 22 Yeah. She -- oh. Well, after that whole 23 thing, my cell phone was taken away. So, yeah, 24 she had my cell phone from that day until she == 25 until I moved to NENENNEN.  a 1 And she -- like, my mom, I think she still 2 has it, or the Court or whatever has my cell 3 phone. 4 Q. You talked about telling your mom you were 5 doing drugs -- or selling drugs? 6 A. Yeah. I just -- 7 Q. Which one? 8 A. My -- just -- both. I just kind of -- my 9 dad's arguing with me, and I just kind of told 10 ‘em, well, I'm a drug dealer. 1 Q. Okay. So you -- you've had a problems with 12 drugs though, haven't you? 13 A. I did. 14 Not a problem, I experimented. 15 Q. Didn't your parents actually send you away 16 to a rehabilitation center because of it? 17 A. To a family help center -- 18 0. Okay. 19 A. -- to be specific or whatever. 20 It was because of that, but it was also 21 because I had a lot of family, like, getting-along 22 problems. Like, I argued with my parents a lot. 23 Q. Were you doing drugs during the time that 24 you went to Jeffrey Epstein's house? 25 A. Um, no. Well, the only -- the only drug  a2 1 that I did that time was pot. Like, I smoked it 2 sometimes. I didn't do, like, drug drugs, like 3 bad kind of drugs. 4 Q. Do you still do pot? 5 A. No. 6 Q. Do you have a MySpace.com account? 7 A. Yes. I have a MySpace. 8 Q. On there you talk about doing drugs? ° A. No, I don't talk about it. 10 There's like a -- like, a little thing 1 where it says create, like, your own thingy. 12 And it asks questions, like a == a survey; 13 that's the word I'm looking for; a survey about -- 14 like, they just ask questions. And it says, have 15 you ever done drugs? 16 And I said, yeah. 17 Have you -- it says, have you ever done 18 drugs. 19 Q. Okay. It asks a lot of questions about 20 you, right? 21 A. Yes. But I also did delete that MySpace 22 and I did a good one. I -- 23 0. Okay. 24 A. I delete -- cause my parents found out. 25 Q. So you had one that wasn't real good?  43 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. That you'd lied about your age on, said 3 were you 18 on? 4 A. No. I didn't say I was 18. 5 0. This your account? 6 A. No. 7 Q. Here with, NEE? Female, 18 years old. 8 Lives in EE—- 9 A. Yes, but I didn't do this one. 10 All mines have, like, cool things in the 1 back. Like, mine -- I would never make an ugly 12 one. 13 0. EESSSSSS—— co have more fun. 14 A. Yeah. 15 Q. You're a WEEN? 16 A. Yeah. But -- and I have that ex -- like, 17 those exact same things on my old one. 18 It had, like, not in -- what it says about 19 me, in that little sentence -- 20 Q. Okay. 21 A. -- that's not -- I didn't make that. 22 Q. So when you're talking about that survey 23 you answered, it says your -- your choice of 24 alcohol. And you put beer? 25 A. Yeah.  4 1 Q. Do you drink beer? 2 A. At parties. 3 Q. Okay. It says you have four piercings? 4 A. Not anymore. Now I only -- well, I used to 5 have my belly button pierced. 6 Q. It takes -- you have to be 18 in the state 7 of Florida to have body piercings other than your 8 ears? How -- 9 A. My dad -- 10 Q. How did you get those? 1 A. My dad took me to get my belly button 12 pierced for my 14th birthday. Cause, like, 13 everybody was getting one, so I begged for it. 14 And then I just got my nose pierced, so. 15 Q. Did you have to provide identification for 16 your nose, just prove you were 182 17 A. No, my dad -- my dad let me. 18 Q. Your dad, okay. 19 So you didn't have false identification at 20 that time? 21 A. No. 22 Q. Okay. So you said yes to drinking and 23 smoking? Smoking pot? 24 A. Yeah. 25 Q. There's a question, do you shoplift?  45 1 Do you recall what you put for that? 2 A. I did. 3 Q. What -- you did shoplift? 4 A. Like, yeah, a couple times. 5 ©. Did you recall putting, lots of times, on 6 your site? 7 A. Maybe. 8 This was a long time ago, so. 9 Q. Okay. You reported income of $250,000 -- 10 A. As a joke. 1 Q. -- on that site? 12 A. Yeah. It's a joke. 13 Like, all my friends do that, cause it's 14 kind of funny and random and stupid. 15 Q. Okay. So it's not that you're making money 16 elsewhere -- 17 A. No. It -- 18 0. ~-- doing similar activity? 19 A. -- was just kind of stupid. 20 It's like a joke. 21 Q. Okay. Did you ever make arrangements with 22 EEE to go back to Jeffrey Epstein's house in 23 April of 20052 24 A. Not when I was with her. 25 Maybe on a phone conversation, like, with  46 1 that detective, but not ever when I was with her. 2 ©. Did you ever talk to NEEEN about going back 3 in April of 2005? 4 A. I really don't think so. 5 0. Okay. 6 All right. At this point I'm going to ask 7 the grand jurors if they have any questions for 8 you. 9 A. Okay. 10 Q. Okay? 1 A JUROR: Where do you live now? 12 THE WITNESS: I live in SES 13 A JUROR: Where? 14 THE WITNESS: S— 15 A JUROR: Did you say that before you 16 lived up in NESE? 17 THE WITNESS: Yes. I moved to 18 EEN in July, with my mother. 19 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Your mother -- your 20 stepmother and father sent you up there to 21 get away from the activities down here? 22 THE WITNESS: No. I moved with my 23 mom. 24 When I was with my dad, like, after 25 this all happened, my mom and my dad were  a7 1 arguing. And I didn't like my dad anymore. 2 I -- I just felt like living back with mom. 3 So then I moved with my mom. 4 And that's when I went to the family 5 center; like, NENENNNNN is what it's 6 called. And then after that, my mom had 7 planned on moving to NENEEEN. She's been 8 planning for, like, 2 years before any of 9 this ever happened. And they finally found 10 a house in NENNNEM. So we moved, and I 1 moved with them. 12 A JUROR: Do you have any idea deep 13 down inside of you that you -- what your 14 doing is wrong? 15 THE WITNESS: Yeah. I did. 16 A JUROR: Oh, do you? 17 Have you -- 18 THE WITNESS: Oh I -- 19 A JUROR: Have you set the goals of 20 to not do it anymore? 21 THE WITNESS: Yes. I don't -- 22 haven't talked to any of those people since 23 that day. 24 A JUROR: And you're well aware 25 that -- what you're doing to your own  8 1 reputation. 2 THE WITNESS: Yes. I do. 3 MS. BELOHLAVEK: You aware that you 4 committed a crime? 5 THE WITNESS: Now I am. I didn't 6 know it was a crime when I was doing it. 7 Like, I -- I don't know. Now I -- I 8 guess it's prostitution or something like 9 that. 10 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Any other questions? 1 A JUROR: One more. 12 You said you worked at HESSEN. 13 You were 14, you were working at 14 ——— 15 THE WITNESS: Yeah, in NESS. 16 That's when they, like, first let you work, 17 when you're 14. 18 A JUROR: Okay. Now you're work -- 19 you're living back now with your father in 20 the meantime? 21 THE WITNESS: (No audible response). 22 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Anybody else in the 23 front row? 24 Second row. Yes, sir. 25 A JUROR: Um, you kept saying  a9 1 Jeffrey's assistant. Do you know her name? 2 THE WITNESS: No. I know that she 3 was blond haired, and she was tall and 4 skinny. I don't remember her name. 5 A JUROR: Okay. 6 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes, sir. In the 7 back row. 8 A JUROR: Yes. 9 Miss EENNNNN, did you ever go back 10 to Mr. Epstein's on your own? 1 THE WITNESS: No, sir, I didn't. 12 A JUROR: Did he ever contact you 13 with your cell phone? 4 He never called you? 15 THE WITNESS: No. Because I got my 16 phone taken away. Like -- 17 A JUROR: Did you -- 18 THE WITNESS: -- right when I was in 19 trouble. 20 A JUROR: -- ever feel that his 21 behavior was a little strange? 22 THE WITNESS: That's what we all 23 joked about in the car. 24 A JUROR: Yeah, but did it ever occur 25 to you that he could have hacked you up?  50 1 THE WITNESS: I -- now I think about 2 it. And a lot of things could have 3 happened. I thought about it a lot. 4 And a lot -- 5 A JUROR: Should give it a little 6 further thought. 7 THE WITNESS: -- different things 8 could have happened. 9 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Any other questions 10 for Miss E— 1 All right. Thank you very much. 12 THE WITNESS: Thank you. 13 (Witness excused.) 14 (WITNESS JOE RECAREY RECALLED) 15 MS. DUGGAN: I'll go ahead. 16 And for the record, this is Detective 17 Joe Recarey. 18 I don't need to re-swear you in. 19 We'll just remind you, you're under oath. 20 THE WITNESS: Okay. 21 MS. DUGGAN: Okay. 22 CONTINUED EXAMINATION 23 BY MS. BELOHLAVEK: 24 0. Detective Recarey, let's go back to the 25 investigation before you took over; it's still  51 1 Detective Pagan. There's mention in her report of 2 trash pulls. 3 What's a trash pull? 4 A. A trash pull is when you make arrangements 5 with the supervisor of sanitation to have the 6 trash man go onto the property, remove the trash, 7 and place it in the empty well of the trash truck. 8 And you follow 'em to a different location, then 9 you retrieve the bags from the truck. 10 Q. How is it that you can take things off 1 someone's property without a search warrant in 12 that way? Is it permissible because it's been 13 discarded? 14 A. It's discarded. It's trash. 15 It was in the truck. We just take 16 possession of it from the truck. 17 ©. Okay. April 1, 2005, was there a trash 18 pull at Jeffrey Epstein's house? 19 A. Correct. 20 Q. Okay. Do you know what was found when they 21 examined the trash from his home? 22 A. Several messages with phone numbers written 23 on it with girls’ names, and different messages. 24 ©. Did any of the messages that you've had a 25 chance to look at talk about any of the girls you  52 1 found out through your investigation had gone to 2 Jeffrey Epstein's house? 3 A. That is correct. The names and phone 4 numbers were of girls that have gone to the house 5 and left little messages. I have girls for him. 6 You know, for a good time call me type of thing. 7 Q. Okay. Was there a message indicating that 8 BEEN had an appointment in April? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. And what time did WENN have an appointment 1n in April? 12 A. 11 a.m. 13 Q. Okay. Do you know if Detective Pagan had 14 taken voice mails from NEEEEEN phone where NEN 15 was confirming meeting with WEEE -- 16 A. Right. 17 0. -- to go there at 11:00? 18 A. There were controlled phone calls 19 between -- EENEN was making phone calls to NEE 20 for us, as part of the investigation. EEE made 21 the appointment to bring NEEM over at 11 a.m. for 22 April 1. 23 Q. But EEEEN never went there? 24 A. No. 25 0. Okay. Now were there any messages  53 1 indicating that someone named NENEEN or someone 2 named EEE has appointments to go to Mr. Epstein's 3 house? 4 A. Yes. There was several mentions of HENNE 5 and mm 6 Q. Were you able to identify who NEEEEN and 7 — ere? 8 A. Yes, I did. Later on in the investigation 9 we discovered that EEEEEN was actually NEES 10 EEN, another IEEEEEEGEG—— School 1 student who still attends. And NEN was the 12 other girl that was frequenting Epstein's house. 13 Q. How old was NENSNENNNEEN at that time? 14 A. 1 believe she was 16. 15 Q. And how old was EEN? 16 A. EEEEENENN. Through the investigation I 17 found out she started going to the house when she 18 was 16 or had just turned 16. 19 Q. And how long of a time did she continue to 20 go there? 21 A. Till she turned 18. 22 Q. Okay. Was there a trash pull on 23 September 21st of 2005? 24 I guess this is after you've taken over the 25 investigation.  54 1 A. Correct. 2 Q. Okay. Was there a trash pull that day? 3 A. Yes. 4 ©. Did you find anything interesting in that 5 trash pull? 6 A. Um, I'm trying to get to -- 7 Q. Maybe page 24, 25 of your report. 8 Page 24. 9 A. The date was September? 10 Q. September 21st. 1 A. Okay. 12 Yes. 13 Q. What did you find in that trash pull? u A. I had notes with the name NENEEN, with her 15 phone number. As well as EEEENEN; for a good time 16 call mmm. And -- 17 Q. Were you able to identify EEN? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. Who is NEE? 20 A. EEE is IEEE 21 Q. 2nd what about EEEEEEN: Were you able to 22 identify ENN? 23 A. Yes. Through the investigation I was able 24 to find out that NEN is actually EEE 25 —  55 1 Q. Can you spell NEE? 2 he — 3 Q. And how old was she at the time? 4 A. 17. 5 Q. Okay. Another trash pull on October 3, 6 20052 7 A. Correct. 8 Q. Anything interesting found in that trash 9 pull? 10 A. October 3rd. 1 What page are you on? 12 Q. Page 26. Page 26 is a report dictated by 13 officer Crowell. 12 A. Curtis Crowell, correct. 15 Q. Okay. 16 A. That's why. 17 Q. In there he indicates that in the trash 18 pull they located a hard plastic or clear acrylic 19 stick which was shaped with small ridges. This 20 device is commonly used as a sexual toy which is 21 inserted into the vagina or anus for stimulation. 22 Was that type of item actually found? 23 A. Um, the device was actually found. But 24 later on in the search warrant it was discovered 25 that it was actually the handle of the --  56 1 Q. For the silverware? 2 A. -- for forks -- for forks and knives. 3 ©. Okay. So it wasn't something we would call 4 a vibrator or a dildo? 5 A. No. 6 Q. Okay. It appeared that way to him, but you 7 were able to confirm later it was not? 8 A. Right. 9 Q. okay. 10 All right. You are aware, from your 1 investigation and talking to Detective Pagan, that 12 EESSSS——— said she was initiated into going 13 to Jeffrey Epstein's house by someone named NEE 14 vs 15 A. Correct. 16 Q. Were you ever able to talk to INES > 17 A. Yes, I did. 18 Q. When was that? 19 A. October 3, 2005. 20 0. Where did that take place? 21 A. Sergeant Frick and I went to her house out 22 in EEN, knocked on the door, and asked her 23 to come back to the station for further 24 questioning reference this investigation. 25 Q. How old was WEEN?  57 1 A. EEEEE had just graduated from high school, 2 from IEEE School. 3 Q. Okay. Was she a minor at the time or an 4 adult? Do you recall? 5 A. Well, in the -- at the time she would have 6 been a -- an adult. 7 Q. When -- 8 A. At the time of the interview. 9 0. When you talked to her. Okay. 10 Did she talk to you that day at her house? 1 A. No, she came back with us to the police 12 department for further questioning. 13 Q. She was uncomfortable talking at her house? 14 She told you she wanted to do it elsewhere? 15 A. Um, no. We just -- I wanted to go over 16 documents that I didn't have with me, with her -- 17 0. Okay. 18 A. -- at the -- 19 Q. So when did she come to the police 20 department? 21 A. That same day. 22 Q. What did NESSES tell you? 23 A. During a sworn taped statement she stated 24 that she became in contact with Mr. Jeffrey 25 Epstein when she was 17, when she was approached  58 1 by a friend with an opportunity to make money. 2 She was taken to the Epstein's residence. She was 3 told that she would have to provide a massage, and 14 make $200. 5 She was taken to the house, she was 6 introduced to his -- Epstein's assistant by the 7 name of Sarah. Sarah then would escort her 8 upstairs, prepare the room for the massage by 9 putting out the ointments and the different oils. 10 Mr. Epstein came into the room. He 1 demanded she remove her clothing. She did so. 12 She started giving the massage, rubbing his back, 13 his calves and thighs. He turned onto his back, 14 asked her to rub his chest. As he did so he tried 15 to touch her, touch her buttocks. She pulled 16 away, she said I'm uncomfortable with you touching 17 me. I'll give you the massage but I'm 18 uncomfortable with you touching me. 19 It was at which time he said, I know you're 20 uncomfortable. If you bring me girls I will pay 21 you to bring me girls. 22 Q. So he didn't make her do anything she was 23 uncomfortable with? 24 A. Right. 25 Q. Okay. How did she indicate that she first  59 1 met anybody that knew Jeffrey Epstein? 2 A. She was approached by one of her friends in 3 EES by the name of EEEEN, unknown last 4 name. I was never -- 5 Q. You never -- 6 A. -- able to identify -- 7 Q. -- determine -- 8 A. -- who NEEM was, who actually took her to 9 Epstein's house and introduced her into the 10 household. 1 0. Okay. Were you able to determine the 12 approximate date when she met this EEEEE who took 13 her to Epstein's house? 14 A. Sometime when she turned 17, she told me. 15 Q. Okay. So she was 17 when she first went 16 there? 17 A. Mm-hmn. 18 Q. All right. When he talked to her about 19 bringing other girls to him, since she's 20 uncomfortable, what was her response to him? 21 A. She agreed to bring the girls to him. And 22 he told her, the younger, the better. 23 She brought a 23-year old to massage him, 24 and he told her that she was too old and he wanted 25 someone younger.  60 1 Knowing that she went to IEESEGCEGCGT 2 BEEN School, he recommended that she ask her 3 friends. 4 During the statement she gave me 5 approximately six names that she can remember that 6 she took to the house that all went to INES 7 EEN School. 8 Q. Who did EEEEN tell you she took to the 9 house? 10 a i i inl. 1 EE EE EE, ond the 14 12 year old victim, EESEGEGEG— 13 Q. EE Okay. 14 Did you ask NEEEN if she told these people 15 what to expect when she took them to Jeffrey 6 Epstein's house? 17 A. She explained that all the girls knew what 18 was to be expected. The more you did, the more 19 money you made. She explained that there was 20 going to be a massage or some possible touching, 21 and you would have to provide the massage either 22 topless or naked. 23 Q. And she told you that she told NEE that? 2 A. She said that she told all the girls that. 25 Q. Okay. During your conversations with  61 1 BEEN, did she refer to herself as somebody 2 famous? 3 A. On the ride back, back to her house, she 4 had stated that she was the -- she was like Heidi 5 Fleiss, the Hollywood Madam that provided girls to 6 clients. 7 Q. Did EENEN -- you may have told me this 8 earlier, and I apologize if I didn't hear it -- 9 did WEEN undress when she provided the massage? 10 A. Yes. She provided the massage naked, under 1 the direction of -- 12 Q. Not just down to her underwear? 13 A. No. I believe it was naked. 14 Q. Okay. Did -- was there ever any indication 15 of a vibrator like NEEM described, with NEN? 16 A. No. But she -- she was aware of the 17 vibrator. 18 Q. From EEN? 19 A. Vibrator slash, massager. 20 Q. okay. 21 Was NEEM paid money, did she tell you, for 22 bringing these other girls? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. How much money? 25 A. she was paid approximately $200 for every  62 1 girl she brought. 2 Q. Just one time per girl or every time she 3 brought a girl did she get another $2002 4 A. Every time she brought a girl she got $200. 5 Q. Even if it was the same girl over and over? 6 A. Correct. 7 0. Okay. 8 All right. You found the card that says, 9 for a good time call NENEEEN. You were able to 10 identify her as ESESEG—NGNGZ 1 A. Correct. 12 ©. Did you get a statement from ISESSESEGGS 13 A. Yes, I did. At that tine NEN was 14 already attending college, she had started NEEN 15 EE 16 She stated that nothing inappropriate had 17 occurred originally, and then explained that, you 18 know, he had -- Epstein had tried to touch her on 19 several occasions. 20 Q. Did she change her statement at some point 21 to you? 22 A. Well, originally she started off saying 23 that nothing had -- nothing inappropriate had 24 occurred. Further questioning, she had changed, 25 that there was additional things that had  63 1 happened. 2 Q. Okay. What did she say the additional 3 things were that happened? 4 A. There was attempted touching. He had 5 caressed her buttocks cheeks. 6 All the while he had -- he had introduced 7 the vibrator, but did not -- she did not allow a 8 vibrator to be used on her. 9 She described the vibrator having a huge 10 head on the tip of the vibrator, white in color. 1 Q. Now was this -- it progressed in the first 12 time she was there to just massage to touching to 13 vibrator, or were there numerous times she went to 14 his house? 15 A. Numerous times that she went to his house. 16 This all progressed as more times she came to the 17 house, more things started to occur. 18 Q. How many times did she go to Jeffrey 19 Epstein's house? 20 A. Off the top of my head, I -- she stated 21 that she had been there many times. 22 ©. All right. The last known time that she 23 told you about was when? 24 A. Was in October. The last time Mr. Epstein 25 was in town, October 3rd or 4th of 2005.  64 1 Q. Okay. Do you know of any of the girls that 2 say they went to his house after 2005? 3 A. No. I don't believe Mr. Epstein has been 4 back. He learned of the investigation in October. 5 Q. Okay. Was she paid by Jeffrey Epstein? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. Do you know how much she was paid? 8 A. She was paid between 200 and $300. 9 ©. Each time? 10 A. Each time that she went. 1 Q. Did she get any other compensation other 12 than money from him? 13 A. she also received a rental car, which as of 14 this date I think that she's still driving it, 15 from Dollar Rent a Car. 16 Q. Okay. Were you able to confirm through the 17 rental car that it was rented by Mr. Epstein or 18 someone in his -- 19 A. It was -- 20 Q. -- employ? 21 A. -- rented by -- it was rented by Mr. -- his 22 houseman, Janusz Banasiak, with a credit card of 23 Mr. Epstein's. 24 Q. Okay. Were you able to get a statement 25 from the person you identified as IESE?  65 1 A. That is correct. 2 0. When did that occur? 3 A. On October 10th I had made telephone 4 contact with her; she was up in IESE, 5 Florida. And I had explained to her that I was 6 conducting this investigation. 7 Miss BEEN began to cry. Explained that she 8 had been to the house hundreds of times. Started 9 going there at the age of 16, when she was still 10 attending HNEESSSSSSSSSSSN School. Where she 1 was offered to -- $200 for 30 minutes of work. 12 Q. How was she introduced to him? 13 A. She was taken to him by a friend of hers 14 who also had gone to IEEESEGCGCGSSSNNN School, 15 | ——. 16 Q. okay. 17 A. She was taken to the house. She would have 18 to perform this massage naked. 19 Q. she knew that before she went? 20 A. That was explained to her by HEN. 21 ©. Okay. What did she describe about that 22 first visit to Jeffrey Epstein's house? 23 A. She recalled that the appointment was set 24 up for that same day. They contacted 25 Mr. Epstein's assistant, Sarah; later identified  66 1 as Sarah Kellen; where the appointment was made. 2 She was taken. She remembered it was on the 3 weekends because she only worked on the weekends, 4 as she was still going to high school. 5 She was taken upstairs to the master 6 bedroom. She could observe in the spiral 7 staircase up to the bedroom area there were 8 photographs of naked women throughout the house. 9 ©. Adult women? 10 A. I believe so. 1 Q. Okay. She goes upstairs, what happens 12 upstairs? 13 A. She's taken into the room. The room is set 14 up, the massage tables are set up, ointments are 15 put out by Sarah Kellen. Epstein enters the room 16 and introduces himself to her. He lays on the 17 massage table and asks her to get comfortable. 18 She stated that she couldn't remember if 19 she provided the massage naked, but knows that she 20 removed -- she had -- I'm sorry -- she had rubbed 21 his legs, thighs, and feet. 22 All during this time Epstein turned on to 23 his back so that she could rub his chest, and he 24 started to masturbate. 25 Q. Okay.  67 1 A. Which was another thing, one of the other 2 girls -- every time there was a massage, Epstein 3 would masturbate himself. a Q. Was she able to see his penis or was it 5 under the towel he had come out in? © A. He had exposed his penis to her. Removed 7 the towel which made it visible. 8 Q. How long did that go on? 9 A. She had been to his house over, in a 2-year 10 period that she stated, hundreds of times. 1 Q. I meant the masturbation? 12 A. Oh, oh. It was for several minutes. 13 Q. Okay. Did he touch her at all that first 14 time? 15 A. Um, I believe he did use the vibrator on 16 her, if I recall. 17 Q. I'm going to direct you to page 39, second 18 full paragraph halfway down. 19 A. Okay. 20 Q. I believe your report says Epstein touched 21 her breast? 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. Okay. So at that point he touched her 24 breast. Do you recall -- 25 A. Right.  68 1 Q. == if the vibrator was uses that first time 2 or if it was just the touching -- 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. -- of her breast? 5 A. No. He did touch her breasts as he 6 masturbated. 7 Q. Was she paid money for that visit? 8 A. $200. 9 0. Did she go back to his house? 10 A. Yes, she did. 1 Q. Bnd I guess you've told us, for about 12 2 years she went back. 13 Is that a yes? 14 A. Yes. Correct. 15 Q. She estimates over a hundred times? 16 A. Yes. She does. 17 Q. Did the situation with NENENNNEN progress? 18 A. It did. During the time frame that she was 19 attending there, over the 2-year period, she 20 stated that every time she went there it didn't 21 have to be involving the massage or any kind of 22 sexual encounter. At times that she would go, she 23 would end up just having dinner or talking with 24 Epstein. 25 At one point Epstein introduced his other  6 1 assistant, Nada Marcinkova. 2 She explained that he had brought her from 3 Yugoslavia to the United States to be his sex 4 slave. 5 Q. Were you ever able to confirm that? 6 A. I know that she is here on a visa, a 7 modeling visa. 8 0. You don't know the purpose she's here, 9 other than you were able to confirm the visa? 10 A. Yes. 1 Q. Okay. 12 A. she's here for a visa. 13 Q. What did NEEM describe as the progression 14 of sex acts? 15 A. He introduced Nada into their routine. 16 Q. So it became a threesome at some point? 17 A. Right. 18 Q. Okay. 19 A. He had asked NEEM to perform oral sex on 20 Nada. NEEM originally had refused. He enticed 21 her by giving her additional monies to perform 22 this act for 5 minutes. 23 Q. How much additional money? 24 A. 200 -- $200 extra. 25 ©. And then she agreed?  70 1 A. At which point she agreed. 2 Q. Okay. Was it always just the masturbating 3 in front of NEEM and sex acts with Nada, or were 4 there additional sex acts with Jeff Epstein? 5 A. It was explained that at one point towards 6 the end, prior to NEEM turning 18 or just after, 7 it was -- it had been previously spoken that there 8 would be no vaginal penetration by Mr. Epstein. 9 She had stated that Mr. Epstein had a 10 deformed penis and did not want to have any kind 1 of intercourse with him. 12 It was after one of the -- where they had 13 purchased sex toys. They introduced the sex toys 14 with Nada and EEN as Epstein would watch on and 15 masturbate to. 16 At one point he grabbed NEEM and placed her 17 head onto the head -- on the massage table and 18 inserted his penis in her vagina. 19 Q. Okay. You said they introduced sex toys, 20 purchased sex toys. Who purchased sex toys? 21 A. Nada. 22 ©. Was EEN with her when they were purchased? 23 A. It is -- yes. 24 Q. Okay. 25 A. It was for Epstein's --  7 1 ©. So EEE and Nada went to purchase the sex 2 toys? 3 A. For Epstein's birthday. Correct. 4 Q. Okay. And during the time that he 5 penetrated her vagina she was either 17 or 18, 6 you're not clear -- clear which? 7 A. Right. 8 0. Okay. 9 A. It was -- this was towards the end. 10 Because after that she stopped going to his res -- 1 his house. 12 Q. How many -- okay. A hundred times, did she 13 indicate how much money she made during this 14 2-year period that she was going to see him? 15 A. Well, she received between 200 and a 16 thousand dollars. 17 Q. Each time? 18 A. Each time that she went. 19 The day that he forcibly entered himself 20 into her, he paid her a thousand dollars. 21 Also, she had received a rental car from 22 Dollar Rental Car, a blue Dodge Neon, that the 23 previous houseman had rented for her. 24 ©. Did she ever make a report of sexual 25 battery after what she told you about him  72 1 inserting his penis inside her? 2 A. What do you mean, sexual battery? 3 Q. Did she -- at that time that he forced his 4 penis inside her, you said? 5 A. Oh, at that -- 6 ©. Did she make -- 7 A. -- the day that that occurred? 8 No. 9 Q. -- did she make -- did she call and say -- 10 A. No, the day it occurred. No, she did not. 1 Q. That day she took a thousand dollars. 12 Let's say it's only $200 for a hundred 13 times; she's -- we're talking a lot of money she 14 got, at a minimum; plus a car? 15 Is that a yes? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. Okay. Did you ask her what she did with 18 all that money? 19 A. I did ask her. And she didn't want to tell 20 ne. 21 Q. What'd she say? 22 A. She said that that was too personal. 23 Q. After you -- she's just described all these 24 sex acts to you. 25 Okay. Did you interview somebody named  73 1 EEE——— 2 A. Yes, I did. 3 Q. Who is EEG 4 A. Um -- 5 0. page 51. 6 A. Thank you. 7 Okay, November 4th. She provided a sworn 8 taped statement that she had been taken to 9 Epstein's house by the -- a friend from NESSES 10 EE School, I n ©. This same person that took ENE? 12 A. Correct. 13 0. okay. u A. She was told as well that she would have to 15 provide the massage and would be paid 300 for the 16 massage. 17 Q. How old was she at the time? 18 A. 17, I believe. 19 0. Okay. What did she describe happening when 20 she went there the first time? 21 A. She was taken to the house and introduced 22 to Epstein's assistant. Pretty much -- 23 Q. Which one, Nada -- 24 A. -- consistent -- 25 Q. -- or sarah?  74 1 A. sarah. 2 0. Okay. 3 A. It was pretty much consistent with all the 4 girls. They would be introduced to the assistant, 5 who would then lead her upstairs and prepare the 6 room for the massage in the master bathroom area. 7 She would lay -- put a blanket over the massage 8 tables and provide the ointments that Mr. Epstein 9 would like to have used. 10 She rubbed his calves and his back area and 1 was paid $300 for her services. 12 Q. Was that a one-time thing with NEE 13 EES or did she go back? 14 A. She stated she had gone back four or five 15 times. 16 Q. Similar acts each time she went back? 17 A. Correct. 18 ©. similar amounts of money each time? 19 A. It -- it started to escalate. I mean, each 20 time that she went, further things started to 21 happen. It was the same monies though provided. 22 Q. Okay. So the sex acts became more 23 involved? 24 A. Correct. 25 Q. Okay. She was what, you said 172  75 1 A. Correct. 2 Q. Did she tell Jeff Epstein that she was 172 3 A. May have, I believe so. 4 Q. Take a minute and look at your report and 5 see if you can find that there. 6 A. Okay. She was 16 when she first went to 7 the house. 8 Q. Okay. She was 16. But does she ever tell 9 him she's 16 or 172 10 A. No. 11 ©. Did any of the girls ever tell him that 12 they were under 18? 13 A. Well, he knew that they went to ENSSSSSEM 14 EI School. 15 Q. That was not my question to you. 16 A. Okay. 17 Q. Did any of the girls ever tell Jeff Epstein 18 that they were under 18? 19 A. Not to my knowledge. 20 ©. Bnd some of them affirmatively lied and 21 said they were 18 when they were not, didn't they? 22 A. Correct. 23 0. But he was aware that they were going to 24 high school? 25 A. Correct.  76 1 Q. Okay. How much money did NEN make? 2 A. $300 for each massage. 3 Q. Was she ever given anything other than cash 4 money? 5 A. She was also given a Western Union wire 6 from New York, for a Christmas bonus. 7 0. How much was the Christmas bonus? 8 A. $200. 9 Q. Rll right. At some point you spoke with 10 someone named Alfredo Rodriguez -- 1 A. Correct. 12 Q. Who is he? 13 A. He's a former houseman of Jeffrey Epstein. 14 Q. What did he describe his duties when he was 15 at -- employed by Mr. Epstein? 16 A. He was basically everything. He was the 17 butler, the driver, in charge of his security. He 18 was basically the -- everything for the house. 19 0. Okay. Do it all. He did anything, 20 (indiscernible) wanted to? 21 A. Right. 22 Q. Okay. Did he -- did Alfredo Rodriguez give 23 you any information regarding your investigation? 24 A. He explained that he knew something was 25 amiss during his employ with Mr. Epstein.  77 1 He would see girls as young as his daughter 2 come in and say that they're his masseuses. 3 And when asked, how young? 4 He said, very young. Too young to be a 5 masseuse. 6 Q. Did he give you any other information? 7 A. He also stated that he had kept a folder 8 for his protection. Some notes that were made 9 during his employ with Mr. Epstein. . 10 Q. What -- so he kept like a journal? 1 A. Basically, yes. Like a folder with 12 different sheets of papers inside. 13 ©. 2nd he would write notes himself or he 14 would put notes in that journal? 15 A. He would put notes inside. 16 Q. Okay. 17 BR. Notes that were given to him on Epstein's 18 stationary. 19 Q. Was there any note that he provided to you 20 in that folder that indicated something -- any 21 type of relationship between Jeffrey Epstein and 22 any of the girls we've discussed? 23 A. Yes. He provided two sheets. One was to 24 extend the rental car for NEEM, as the contract 25 was up the 2nd of February.  78 1 Q. The 2nd of February what year? 2 A. I was unable to determine that. 3 I researched the information through Dollar 4 Rent A Car and they were unable to locate the car 5 that he rented. 6 Q. Okay. But did NEEM confirm that she had 7 gotten a car? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. Okay. 10 A. She even explained -- described the car as 1 a blue Dodge Neon, four door. She explained the 12 whole car to me. 13 Additionally there was another notation 14 of =< to take a bucket of roses at 9 p.m. to NEE 15 SSS for WEEN. And give the 16 flowers to NEEM after her NEEM performance, as 17 she was in HESSEN and had a2 IESE 18 that night. 19 Q. Okay. And do you know when that was? 20 A. It was while NEE was still in IESE 21 ESS It was during his employ, 22 prior to Janusz. 23 Q. Do you know if that was when EEEN was 16 or 24 when she was 17 or when she was 18? 25 A. When she was 17.  79 1 Q. Okay. Did you -- any of these girls we've 2 talked about, any of them a licensed massage 3 therapist? 4 A. No. No formal training in any massages. 5 Q. Did you ever speak to licensed massage 6 therapists that provided services to Jeffrey 7 Epstein. 8 A. Through the trash pulls we did locate two 9 girls that were licensed masseuses that I 10 interviewed. 1 Q. Who were they? 12 A. One was HENS 6 2nd the other one 13 was 14 ©. Okay. Did you talk to HESSESEGCG—GEG 15 A. Yes, I did. 16 ©. What did she tell you? 17 A. She had been going to Epstein's house for 18 quite some time. However, she was not a masseuse 19 at that time when she first started going to his 20 house. He also provided her a vehicle to get to 21 his house, because her scooter had broken down. 22 She was -- 23 0. she started going to his house in a similar 24 capacity as these other girls? 25 A. That is correct.  80 1 Q. Okay. But she later became a massage 2 therapist? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. What kind of relationship did NEES 5 EEE and Jeffrey Epstein have? 6 A. She stated that it was a consensual sexual 7 encounters that they've had. 8 Q. How old was she at the time? 9 A. Over 18 at that time. I think she was 18. 10 0. Was she -- did she describe being paid 1 money for -- 12 A. Paid money. 13 Q. -- the services she provided? 14 A. And additionally, I believe he paid her 15 tuition at IEEE 16 ©. Is that where she got her massage therapy 17 training? 18 A. No. She got into the HENEEGCGCG 19 — 20 Q. Okay. All right. What -- you mentioned a 21 IEEE. She's a licensed massage 22 therapist? 23 A. That is correct. 24 Q. Did she provide massage services to Jeff 25 Epstein?  81 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. What kind of services did she provide? 3 A. She does a Swedish deep tissue massage. 4 Q. Did the massages by IEEEEGCG GO 5 beyond a normal massage to the other acts we've 6 heard about today? 7 A. No. No, her job was strictly to come in, 8 provide the massage. She got paid a hundred 9 dollars and she left. 10 Q. Okay. So the licensed massage therapist n gets a hundred dollars, the other girls get much 12 more? 13 A. Right. 14 Q. Okay. When you were -- you've met most of 15 these girls. Was there anything different about 16 EES that you noticed that made her 17 stand apart from the other girls that were going? 18 A. EEENENNEN vas not the petite little girl. 19 She was a bigger girl, with plenty of tattoos on 20 her forearms, very visible on her neck. Very 21 visible tattoos. 22 Q. If you were to say Mr. Epstein had a type, 23 she would not fit that type? 24 A. Oh, absolutely. 25 Q. Were you ever able to find any intelligence  82 1 from the Palm Beach County Police Department that 2 confirmed any of these girls being in his house, 3 other than girls saying so? 4 A. Through physical surveillance. 5 I had researched all the intelligence that 6 the police have gathered during the past couple 7 years. And in 2004 Mr. Rodriguez, the former 8 houseman, had called the police because he had 9 seen a suspicious vehicle that he did not 10 recognize in the driveway of Mr. Epstein's house. 1 Mr. Rodriguez was pulling in from Publix 12 and didn't recognize the vehicle, so he left and 13 drove straight to the police department and 14 notified 'em there was a strange vehicle in the 15 driveway. 16 When that vehicle was approached by the 17 police officers they found NEN sitting in 18 this -- the car with her friend. 19 Q. Does it identify who the friend is? 20 A. Uh -- 21 0. And when you look at that report, what is 22 the date that EES was there in 20042 23 A. November 28, 2004. 24 And at which point her cell phone rang. 25 And the officer felt that it must have been her  83 1 nother because she says, I can't talk, I'm in 2 school. 3 Q. Okay. Did the officer note why HENNE 1 was there? 5 A. She stated that she was there to pick up 6 monies that were owed to her. That she is a 7 massage therapist for Mr. Epstein. 8 0. Okay. The girls you talked to, how did 9 they all typically tend to know each other, of 10 those that do? Were they all in school together? 1 A. They were all -- they all knew each other 12 from IEEE School. 13 All except NEE. 14 Q. Because she was -- knew NEEEN from outside 15 of school? 16 A. Correct. She knew NEEM because she was 17 dating EENEEEE cousin. 18 Q. Okay. At some point did you obtain a 19 search warrant for Jeffrey Epstein's home? 20 A. Correct. I did. 21 Q. When was that? 22 A. That was in October. 23 Q. Page 42. 24 A. October 12, 2005 -- oops, I'm sorry. That 25 was the -- nope, that was in another interview.  84 1 Q. October 20th? 2 A. October 20th. 3 Q. You got the warrant on October 18th and 4 executed it on October 20th? 5 A. Correct. 6 Q. Okay. Who was present with you when you 7 executed that warrant? 8 A. Various members of the police department. ° Detective Crowell, Sergeant Frick, Detective Dix, 10 Detective Dawson, Detective Sandman, myself, crime 1 Scene Manager Greg Parkinson. 12 Q. Okay. 13 A. There was a lot of people in the -- from 14 the police department. 15 Q. All right. And Greg Parkinson is outside? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. Okay. During the execution of that warrant 18 there was an item found that's identified as a 19 twin torpedo? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. What is that item? 22 A. That is a -- it is known as a dildo. 23 Q. Okay. A sexual toy that you buy -- 24 A. A sexual toy. 25 Q. Okay. Where was that found?  85 1 A. That was found in the bedroom of -- I want 2 to say Nada's bedroom. 3 Q. Okay. Is that the bedroom that the girls 4 were taken to when they performed the messages, as 5 described by -- to you? 6 A. The main -- the main massages occurred in 7 Epstein's master bedroom/bathroom area. 8 ©. Not Nada's -- 9 A. No. 10 Q. -- bedroom/bathroom area? 1 A. No. 12 Q. Okay. So that was found in a different 13 place? 14 A. Correct. 15 Q. Was -- were there sexual devices, dildos, 16 vibrators found, anything, that matched the 17 descriptions as given by the girls? Either a 18 purple vibrator or a white vibrator with a large 19 head? 20 A. No. 21 MS. BELOHLAVEK: At this point, 22 Detective Recarey, I'm going to see if the 23 grand jurors have any questions for you. 24 THE WITNESS: Okay. 25 A JUROR: I'd like to ask you a  86 1 question first. What constitutes a sexual 2 act under the law? 3 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Sexual activity a means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by 5 or union with the sexual organ of another; 6 anal or vaginal penetration of another by 7 any other object; or the handling or the 8 fondling of the sexual organ of another for 9 the purpose of masturbation. However, the 10 term does not include acts for bona fide 1 medical purposes. 12 You'll all get a copy of this. 13 Yes, ma'am? 14 A JUROR: Do you know the location of 15 Jeffrey Epstein at present? 16 You say that he hasn't been back 17 since October. 18 THE WITNESS: He has various homes. 19 One in New York. He has a ranch in New 20 Mexico. He has a private island right 21 outside St. Thomas. Has a home in Paris 22 and one in England. 23 A JUROR: So can you get in touch 24 with him? You would have a way to do that? 25 THE WITNESS: He has various counsels  87 1 representing him. 2 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes, ma'am. 3 A JUROR: Was NEEM the only one of 4 these girls that he actually had 5 intercourse with? 6 THE WITNESS: No. 7 A JUROR: Okay. 8 THE WITNESS: There was a total of 9 five victims altogether. 10 But as far as intercourse you mean? 1n A JUROR: Mm-hmm. 12 THE WITNESS: As far as penile 13 intercourse? 14 A JUROR: Right. 15 THE WITNESS: I believe it was two. 16 A JUROR: Okay. 17 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes, sir. 18 A JUROR: As far as NEEM, it does 19 not appear from what I'm hearing, it's not 20 like EENEN was the center focal point who 21 coordinated all this for Epstein. 22 It seemed like Epstein had multiple 23 sources to have access to some of these 24 young girls. Is that correct? 25 THE WITNESS: All these girls were in  88 1 a tight clique together. [ENN being the 2 first one from that clique to go to the 3 house. 4 A JUROR: Okay. 5 THE WITNESS: Basically was the -- 6 she brought EEEEN, NEEEN brought HENNE. 7 Em brought -- 8 A JUROR: Right. 9 THE WITNESS: So it was like a 10 trickling effect. 1 A JUROR: Right. So this -- I mean, 12 it just kind of seems like this little 13 micro-economy got spawned here. 14 And it does not -- I mean, do any of 15 these girls provide those types of services 16 for money for anyone else? Do they do 17 this -- 18 THE WITNESS: No. 19 A JUROR: ~-- on a common basis or -- 20 THE WITNESS: No. 21 A JUROR: -- does it just so happen 22 that Epstein is the source by which they're 23 attracted to here? 24 THE WITNESS: Epstein was the source. 25 A JUROR: Okay.  89 1 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Do you know NEN 2 EEENSEN present occupation, Detective? 3 THE WITNESS: She is a -- an exotic a dancer. 5 MS. BELOHLAVEK: A stripper? 6 THE WITNESS: A stripper. 7 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Okay. 8 A JUROR: Who is that one? 9 THE WITNESS: NESE. 10 MS. BELOHLAVEK: ESS. 1 Yes, sir? 12 A JUROR: When Jeffrey entered NEN, 13 did she ask him to stop at all? 14 THE WITNESS: She screamed no. 15 She didn't -- she -- 16 A JUROR: And he continued? 17 THE WITNESS: -- said no. 18 He apologized. Offered her a 19 thousand dollars. Subsequently then -- 20 A JUROR: So he stopped. 21 THE WITNESS: After that, yes. 22 A JUROR: Okay. 23 And the second question. You had 2 nade comment that Dollar Rental Car wasn't 25 able to find the --  90 1 THE WITNESS: The Dollar -- 2 A JUROR: -- car rental. 3 Have you been able to confirm the 4 actual -- 5 THE WITNESS: Subpoenas have been 6 issued to Dollar Rent A Car. 7 I have their techs researching it. 8 They were acquired by another company, so 9 some of the business records were not up to 10 par. So they're -- they're hopefully -- I 1 keep reminding them to -- 12 A JUROR: There's more than one car 13 then that -- 14 THE WITNESS: That's correct. 15 They still rent -- they rented the 16 car for NEES, which -- I believe 17 she's still driving it. 18 A JUROR: Okay. 19 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes, ma'am? 20 A JUROR: How many of the girls had 21 relationships with him over a year while 22 they were still in high school? 23 THE WITNESS: I'm sorry? 24 A JUROR: How many of the girls 25 had -- were seeing him for more than a year  91 1 while -- and he knew they were still in 2 high school? 3 THE WITNESS: I know that all of them 4 were in high school when they first started 5 seeing him. WEEE being 16. 6 The age of graduation is 18. I would 7 say they all, because they all met him 8 through IEG School. 9 MS. BELOHLAVEK: The question is the 10 length period. This doesn't -- it's one 1 time. 12 Like with WEEE it was numerous -- 13 hundreds of time for 2 years. 14 THE WITNESS: Over 2 years. 15 MS. BELOHLAVEK: ESSENSE, 15 or 16 more times. 17 THE WITNESS: Right. 18 MS. BELOHLAVEK: So this is 19 longstanding with -- 20 THE WITNESS: Right. 21 MS. BELOHLAVEK: -- many of these 22 girls? 23 THE WITNESS: Yes. 24 A JUROR: Can you name the two girls 25 that the vaginal penetration took place  92 1 with? 2 THE WITNESS: It would be HENNE 3 — and E— 4 A JUROR: And how many then would, in 5 your opinion, defined by the sexual act -- 6 how many other girls would fall under that 7 category? Can you give me some type of 8 count? 9 THE WITNESS: Under -- well, there 10 was the -- that age -- 1 MS. BELOHLAVEK: There's the 12 masturbation in front of how many girls? 13 THE WITNESS: Oh. There was -- 14 all of -- 15 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Most -- 16 THE WITNESS: =-- them. 17 MS. BELOHLAVEK: -- of the girls. 18 THE WITNESS: I would say all of 19 them. 20 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Okay. 21 THE WITNESS: Except for maybe the 22 legitimate masseuse, EEEEG—G_G_ES—SS— 23 MS. BELOHLAVEK: But the only one 24 that was under 16 at the time was HENNE. 25 THE WITNESS: Right. She was 14.  93 1 Correct. 2 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Okay. 3 A JUROR: Other than HEE 4 stepmother coming to the police, she 5 obviously found out from the Principal. 6 But the other girls, none of their parents 7 knew about it or intervened in any way? 8 THE WITNESS: It wasn't until HESSEN 9 parents discovered what she was doing. It 10 was at that time that she had stopped. 1 And to this day she still gets phone 12 calls. She had to change her cell phone 13 number, they have changed the -- changed 14 the house number, from Sarah Kellen and 15 Epstein. 16 A JUROR: Cause here these girls are 17 bringing home this money, they're obviously 18 shopping, bringing home items; and none of 19 the parents got involved in any way? 20 THE WITNESS: A lot of these parents, 21 they had no idea what was going on. 22 A JUROR: I can't believe that. I 23 mean -- 24 MS. BELOHLAVEK: You have to ask 25 questions. Not comments.  9 1 Yes, ma'am. Do you have your hand 2 up? 3 A JUROR: Let's see, you mentioned 4 m— yas from EE -- 5 THE WITNESS: NENENNEN, ves. 6 A JUROR: MEE vas from ME 7 — 8 THE WITNESS: No. Actually these -- 9 all the girls lived in the HESS 10 area, WEEE :re:. 1 A JUROR: Okay. Any suspicion that 12 there perhaps were other groups of girls 13 from other NEEM schools or other areas that 14 he would bring into that -- his home? 15 THE WITNESS: Not that I'm aware of. 16 The common link here was HEESESSESEG—G_ 17 EEE School. 18 And there was actually comments made 19 from people that says that there's nobody 20 in EEE School that does 21 not know about Jeffrey Epstein. 22 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes, sir? 23 A JUROR: The girl that brought these 24 girls got $200, was that HENNE? 25 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes. She was one of  95 1 the girls. 2 A JUROR: Then -- 3 MS. BELOHLAVEK: There was another 4 girl that brought them. 5 A JUROR: Okay. Then after he got 6 some of their cell phone numbers, did he 7 make his own appointments, did he still pay 8 — 9 THE WITNESS: That is correct. 10 A JUROR: Okay. 1 THE WITNESS: And eventually they did 12 cut out EEEE and would contact these girls 13 directly. 14 A JUROR: Oh that's -- okay. 15 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Did Jeffrey Epstein 16 make the appointments or was it done 17 through Sarah Kellen? 18 THE WITNESS: Through Sarah Kellen, 19 his -- his assistant. 20 MS. BELOHLAVEK: So we don't have any 21 of the girls actually making an appointment 22 with Jeffrey Epstein himself? 23 THE WITNESS: Correct. 24 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Were you able to 25 talk with Sarah Kellen?  96 1 THE WITNESS: No. The Defense did 2 not allow. 3 A JUROR: So NEEM claimed to make it 4 clear to Epstein that for the 2 years she 5 was going she was in high school. She -- 6 he knew that? 7 THE WITNESS: He knew that based on 8 the sending the flowers to her school for 9 her high school play that she was in. 10 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Anyone else? 1 A JUROR: What -- what year, when she 12 received the flowers, what class was she 13 in? Was it a Senior? A Junior? 14 THE WITNESS: I want to say Senior, 15 but I'm not a hundred percent positive on 16 that. 17 A JUROR: Why I ask that is that, you 18 know, usually a Senior can be 18 years old, 19 whereas a Junior is, you know, that was -- 20 THE WITNESS: Right. 21 A JUROR: That would give him some 22 knowledge of knowing how old she was. 23 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes, ma'am? 24 A JUROR: The two girls that received 25 rental cars, their parents never asked them  97 1 where they got these cars that they were 2 driving? 3 THE WITNESS: The one girl, NEE 4 EEE, who's still driving the car; she's 5 attending college at HNEEEGCG—GSG— 6 EEN. Her parents live up here in -- in 7 LICH 8 When she does frequent her parents, 9 the car is a friend's car or is borrowed. 10 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes, sir? 1 A JUROR: (Indiscernible) confirm, I 12 believe it was NEEM had indicated that the 13 conversation with Jeffrey Epstein was 14 that -- to make sure that the girls were 15 young. 16 THE WITNESS: The younger the better. 17 A JUROR: And the younger the better, 18 right? That was a -- 19 THE WITNESS: Younger the better was 20 the quote. 21 A JUROR: And in that conversation, 22 was that in reference to specifically your 23 friends from your school or -- 24 THE WITNESS: That came later. 25 Because she brought a 23-year old to  98 1 provide a massage, and he told her she was 2 too old. 3 A JUROR: Right. Okay. 4 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Okay. 5 A JUROR: Can I ask you a legal 6 question? 7 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Mm-hmm. 8 A JUROR: Is there (inaudible). 9 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes. But we can 10 discuss that when the detective's not here. 1 Yes, sir? 12 A JUROR: Are all these girls 13 available to be called if the case went to 14 court? 15 THE WITNESS: If we went to trial? 16 Yes. 17 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Any other questions? 18 Yes, sir. 19 A JUROR: Have you been able to 20 verify Mr. Epstein's age? 21 THE WITNESS: Mr. Epstein was born in 22 1951, I believe. 51 or 53. January of 23 1953. January 20, 1953. Which would have 24 made him 52, 53 years of age. 25 MS. BELOHLAVEK: And 51 -- 50, 51  99 1 during the times of these events? 2 THE WITNESS: Correct. 3 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Okay. All right. 4 Thank you very much. 5 A JUROR: One more. 6 THE WITNESS: I think there's another 7 question. 8 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Oops. Sorry. 9 A JUROR: Is there any other evidence 10 that the girls were in his house besides 1 the one tape, besides what they're saying? 12 THE WITNESS: He did have two 13 cameras, two covert hidden cameras inside 14 his house for security purposes. We did 15 locate that computer. 16 I reviewed the images in the 17 computer, and within that computer there 18 are photographs of girls that I had 19 previous interviewed that appears to be 20 them. 21 However, because it's so grainy, so 22 snowy, a positive rec -- a positive 23 identification is -- you know, it's hard 24 to -- unless you show it to the girl, is 25 this you?  100 1 Which I haven't done, because I -- 2 too much information was being leaked back 3 to him. So that's why I pretty much 4 stopped giving them information as far as 5 this investigation. 6 MS. BELOHLAVEK: So you can't say 7 specifically then the pictures are of the 8 girls involved? 9 THE WITNESS: I cannot say 10 positively. I can say that this girl 1 appeared to be like -- just like HENNE. 12 same hairstyle, same mannerisms of walking, 13 same clothes that -- typical that I've seen 1 her wear; but I can't say for a hundred 15 percent that this is her. 16 This appears to be her. The same 17 body style, face, that type of -- 18 MS. BELOHLAVEK: And the girls are 19 still in touch with him, telling him about 20 your investigation. 21 THE WITNESS: I know for a fact that 22 — 23 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Or telling Sarah or 24 Nada. 25 THE WITNESS: Right. I know that  101 1 EEENEN has called. And other girls that 2 I've interviewed or approached to be 3 interviewed have called him. And -- 4 MS. BELOHLAVEK: And there are other 5 girls that refuse to talk to you? 6 THE WITNESS: Right. 7 MS. BELOHLAVEK: 1 love Jeffrey, I'm 8 not testifying against him. 9 THE WITNESS: Right. 10 A JUROR: One question. Didn't you 11 say that the place in Palm Beach has the 12 residence under surveillance? 13 THE WITNESS: When the -- when I took 14 over the investigation I had our TAC team 15 conduct physical surveillance. And they 16 observed these girls coming to the 17 residence in their vehicles, in their dad's 18 car, in their mom's cars, coming to the 19 house seeing Epstein. The -- 20 A JUROR: So you do have witnesses 21 that can put these girls in -- 22 THE WITNESS: Absolutely. 23 A JUROR: -- that particular -- 24 THE WITNESS: Absolutely. 25 A JUROR: There's one other thing. I  102 1 forgot. 2 MS. BELOHLAVEK: In or at his home. 3 Not in sex acts though. 4 THE WITNESS: No, not in sex acts. 5 They were conducting surveillance from the 6 outside. 7 A JUROR: I know. Did you do any 8 telephone research or was everything done 9 over cell phones? 10 THE WITNESS: Everything was done 1 over cell phones. 12 MS. BELOHLAVEK: All right. 13 Thank you very much Detective 14 Recarey. 15 (Witness excused.) 16 (WITNESS GREGORY PARKINSON) 17 MS. DUGGAN: Okay. Would you raise 18 your right hand? 19 THE WITNESS: Yes. 20 MS. DUGGAN: Do you swear or affirm 21 the testimony you're about to give today 22 will be the truth, the whole truth, and 23 nothing but the truth, so help you got? 24 THE WITNESS: Yes, I do. 25 EXAMINATION  103 1 BY MS. BELOHLAVEK: 2 Q. Okay. Would you introduce yourself to the 3 grand jurors, please? 4 A. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. 5 My name is Gregory Parkinson. 6 ©. How -- how long have you been employed as a 7 law enforcement officer? 8 A. I have been in business 40 years now. I 9 started on October 25th of 1966. 10 Q. And where were you working then? 1 A. I worked for the West Palm Beach Police 12 Department, where I served for 34 years, until I 13 retired on July 3rd of the year 2000. 1 I had the 4th of July off and went to work 15 the next day as an investigator for the State 16 Attorney's Office where I worked for 3 years. 17 I left on February 14th of 2003, had the 18 weekend off, and then took over a management 19 position with the Town of Palm Beach Police 20 Department, where I am still currently employed. 21 Q. What is your position with Palm Beach 22 Police Department? 23 A. I hold the rank of police officer, but I 24 also hold the title of civilian where I am in 25 charge of the crime scene investigation unit, the  104 1 photography unit, the evidence holding unit, and 2 the fingerprint unit. 3 0. In your capacity as the crime scene head 4 did you take part in the search warrant executed 5 on Jeffrey Epstein's house on August -- 6 October 20, 20052 7 A. Yes, I did. 8 Q. Tell us how you go about executing a search 9 warrant in general. 10 A. Once the warrant is signed and brought back 1n to headquarters, I am not aware of this at that 12 time. 13 on this morning, which was a Thursday 14 morning, when I went to the morning briefing, at 15 that time I was informed that a search warrant 16 would be executed and that it would be at a 17 residence. 18 My responsibility is to then assemble a 19 team of evidence specialists and crime scene 20 processors that will respond to this unannounced 21 scene. We don't even know where we're going until 22 we are in a -- what looks like a funeral 23 procession or a parade; all the cars are ready to 24 go. We follow the lead car. And only then, when 25 we arrive, do we know the location.  105 1 Q. Why is that done? 2 A. It's -- it's an issue of security, it's an 3 issue of privacy, and it's an issue of officer 4 safety, so that there is a guarantee that there 5 can be no leak of any information, even as simple 6 as an address, from my office. 7 And we prefer to operate in that manner. 8 So we don't know until we get there. 9 All we really need to know is what are we 10 going to be going into, so that we know the volume 1 of bags, the volume of boxes, the volume of gloves 12 or masks or processing gowns or lab coats; whether 13 we would need head cover to protect -- or to 14 prevent contamination of a scene or shoe covers, 15 which will also prevent contamination of the 16 scene. 17 We don't need to know a lot about the 18 scene, we only need to know what type of evidence 19 we're going to be looking for, and the potential 20 volume or size of the area. 21 Knowing this, we are then prepared to go to 22 the scene and do whatever's necessary to fulfill 23 the requirements of the search warrant, and that 24 is searching for specific items. 25 0. Mr. Parkinson, so that would -- in addition  106 1 to officer safety; so that someone's not waiting 2 there to ambush you; also, nobody at the place to 3 be searched knows you're coming so they can just 4 dispose of things? 5 A. That is correct. 6 Q. Okay. On this date, October 20th, where 7 did you go? 8 A. I went to a residence located on the island 9 of Palm Beach, Palm Beach County, Florida. With 10 an address of 358 El Brillo. 1 The 300 block is the block just immediately 12 west of the Intracoastal Waterway. 13 Q. East of the Intracoastal Waterway? 14 A. It is on the east side of the Intracoastal 15 Waterway. In fact, this particular residence is 16 on the Intracoastal Waterway. 17 ©. Okay. Describe to us how the house is 18 entered? 19 A. The residence had staff or personnel 20 present at the time of our arrival. Detective 21 Recarey went in ahead of me. 22 And understanding that once you enter the 23 property there is a heightened danger factor with 2a persons or personnel on the scene. And the first 25 thing that must be done, for everyone's safety, is  107 1 to go in and not search for items, but clear the 2 residence of living human beings, so that there 3 can be no access to weapons or any endangerment to 1 them. This was done. And I took part in the 5 search of the second floor on the west end of the 6 residence. 7 All the living persons -- and there were no 8 dead persons there -- so all of the persons, 9 non-police persons, were escorted out to the south 10 side of the residence into a patio area. 1 Q. Were they allowed to take any items out of 12 the home with them? 13 A. No. Nor did the police look, touch, or 14 move anything; other than opening doors, closets, 15 to make sure there were no other persons inside. 16 It was not a search in the sense of the 17 search warrant at this time. It was a search of 18 the residence to clear it and neutralize any 19 element of danger. 20 This was done. This was accomplished. 21 At this time officer -- Detective Recarey 22 would read out loud, word for word, the search 23 warrant to those persons that were removed from 24 the house. 25 My responsibility at this time was to video  108 1 and audio record the reading of that search 2 warrant to these persons. That I did. And 3 recorded it until the conclusion of the reading of 4 the search warrant. 5 Q. Okay. Were you requested by myself to 6 prepare a diagram of the upper floor of the home 7 searched? 8 A. Yes, I was. 9 Q. What rooms are on that upper floor? 10 A. There are several rooms that are located on 1 the second floor. It is basically an L-shaped 12 appearance where the main body of the house is 13 aligned east and west. There is an L-shaped short 14 leg which protrudes to the north. That actually 15 sits -- that L-leg sits over a three car garage. 16 The second floor contains a -- on the west 17 end, a large master bedroom, which is aligned 18 north and south. And then off of the south side 19 there is a large master bedroom and large closet. 20 Coming back through the bedroom to the north side 21 there is another bathroom. 22 And these are quite large bathrooms. 23 They're not like our -- 24 0. okay. 25 A. -- you know, not like my house.  109 1 Q. Is this the diagram you prepared? 2 A. Yes, it is. 3 Q. Okay. Can I ask you to step down and -- 4 A. Yes. 5 0. ~-- indicate to the grand jurors what the 6 upstairs looks like, what rooms we're seeing here. 7 A. To orient you -- bear in mind you're 8 looking at the second floor here, and this is a 9 spiral staircase which goes from the second floor 10 down to the first floor. 1 And this, coincidentally, is a double door 12 main entrance to the front of the house. And once 13 inside -- oops. 14 A JUROR: Broke the stairway. 15 A. I did, I broke the stairway. 16 Once entering the front door and coming up 17 the stairway you entered a landing. Once inside 18 the landing, it is basically a very long hallway. 19 This hallway has a double door set here and a 20 double door set here. They open inward on the 21 east side; they open inward on the west side. 22 Once coming through this hallway you then 23 reach a normal size door which gives you access to 24 the master bedroom. Which, this is the master 25 bedroom. This is the large bathroom on the south  110 1 side. And this is the large walk-in closet of 2 which there are two doors that you can enter and 3 walk in all the way through and back out to the 4 other. 5 And, again, moving back through the 6 bedroom, past the hallway you then enter another 7 large bathroom which has a sink, closets, and a 8 large bathtub. 9 And it was right in here, what looked very 10 similar to a dentist's chair, without the big 1 light. It has all kinds of tubes and things on 12 it. I don't know really what that thing would do. 13 0. And that wasn't related to the 14 investigation? 15 A. No. It was just part of the furniture 16 there, like a -- similar to, a bed was here and a 17 credenza over here. 18 Q. Are there toilet facilities here or is it 19 just sinks in these bathrooms? 20 A. I believe that there were toilets also 21 there in the hall. 22 Q. Rll right. Did you find a massage table? 23 A. Yes. There was massage table in this 24 clos -- bathroom. 25 Q. Okay. How about massage oils? Were there  m 1 massage oils up in that bathroom? 2 A. I believe there were. I know that we got 3 some kind of a jar of material out of this master 4 bedroom, one of -- out of the dresser. 5 ©. What about out of the actual room where the 6 massage table was? 7 A. That, I'm not sure. 8 I was involved in the actual search and 9 photography of that. Other investigators would 10 have to comment on it. 1 Q. Okay. Do you have the reports -- 12 A. Yes, I do. 13 Q. -- from those investigators? 14 A. I -- well, I have the evidence sheets -- 15 9. okay. 16 A. -- of where things were found. 17 Q. Okay. Could you see if there were any 18 massage oils found within the same room where the 19 massage table was. 20 A. I don't have a listing of that in the 2 packet that I have here. 22 Q. Okay. And items that would be taken into 23 custody by the police department would be itemized 24 on the property receipt like that? 25 A. That's true.  12 1 0. Okay. But -- and so there was a massage 2 oil found by the master bedroom, this room? 3 A. Yes. And I actually had that pointed out 4 to me by Detective Recarey. And it was called a 5 bottle -- or a Joy Jelly. And it was from the 6 master bedroom on the -- in the credenza which was 7 right here. 8 0. Okay. You can have a seat again. 9 A. Thank you. 10 0. Thank you. 1 You've had a chance to go over those 12 receipts of all the property that was contained? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. Did any of the officers find a purple 15 vibrator in the home? 16 A. I have Item 24, which -- which may be that. 17 I have not actually seen it, but it's called a 18 twin torpedo. 19 ©. All right. The twin torpedo was not found 20 in the master bedroom though, wasn't it found in 21 the other bedroom? 22 I think Detective Recarey testified it was 23 found in Ghislaine Max -- or Nada's bedroom? 24 A. I don't know. I don't have a listing right 25 here on this particular document as to where it  13 1 was found on the evidence sheet. That would be 2 covered in Detective Recarey's report. 3 Q. Nothing listed as a purple vibrator though? 4 A. Not on the sheets that I have. 5 ©. What about a white vibrator? 6 A. I don't remember seeing a white vibrator. 7 That may have been something that was recovered by 8 them and photographed by CSI Pavlich. 9 Q. But you have the property receipts in this : 10 case, and it's not listed? 1 A. I don't see it listed here. No. 12 0. Okay. 13 MS. BELOHLAVEK: At this point I'm 1 going to see if the grand jurors have any 15 further questions for you. 16 THE WITNESS: I'm at your service. 17 Yes, sir? 18 A JUROR: Do you have any sexual 19 toys, other than the double-headed torpedo 20 on your list of -- 2 THE WITNESS: Not on the list that I 22 have here, sir. 23 A JUROR: That's the only sexual toy 2a you have? 25 THE WITNESS: Pardon?  114 1 A JUROR: That's the only sexual toy 2 you have that was confiscated in this -- 3 search? 4 THE WITNESS: I believe, to my 5 knowledge, it is. I haven't seen the white 6 or purple, so I can't -- 7 A JUROR: Or any other type of sexual 8 toy, period. 9 THE WITNESS: Right. Personally I 10 have not seen those. 1 A JUROR: Okay. 12 THE WITNESS: But that is not 13 uncommon either, because of the nature of 1 this investigation. 15 Detective Recarey would be the one 16 that has the knowledge on all those 17 specific items. 18 Other than filming the room itself -- 19 or I'm sorry -- the residence itself prior 20 to the search, recording the reading of the 21 search warrant. And then, folks, also 22 after the search I go through and re-video 23 to show that the police did not do any 24 damage. And then the door is finally 25 locked and secured.  15 1 So there would be areas, while I was 2 in it T photographed it from a video 3 standpoint, I would not have direct 4 knowledge of the -- some of the items that 5 were found, but Detective Recarey would. 6 MS. BELOHLAVEK: And you obtained 7 copies of all the evidence sheets of 8 evidence checked in; correct? 9 THE WITNESS: As -- I think so. Yes. 10 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes. 1 THE WITNESS: Yes. 12 MS BELOHLAVEK: And only that twin 13 torpedo is the only sexual item listed? 14 THE WITNESS: As best I can tell you. 15 Correct. 16 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Okay. 17 Yes, sir? 18 THE WITNESS: Yes, sir? 19 A JUROR: Is that report just from 20 the master bedroom or from all the bedrooms 21 on the second floor? 22 THE WITNESS: Actually, it represents 23 the entire residence, plus the two -- the 24 servants quarters, barracks; and on the 25 southwest corner, the fitness and exercise  116 1 room. I believe this encompasses -- 2 A JUROR: Can you -- 3 THE WITNESS: -- everything. 4 A JUROR: Can you point out on that 5 what -- the room was that this woman Nadia 6 was in? 7 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Are you familiar 8 with which bedroom was Nadia's? 9 THE WITNESS: I am not. 10 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Detective Carey -- 1 Recarey, we can -- 12 THE WITNESS: Right. 13 MS. BELOHLAVEK: -- bring him back to 14 show that. Okay. 15 THE WITNESS: Right. 16 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Any other questions? 17 Yes, sir. In the back. 18 A JUROR: Was the suspect at the 19 house at the time that you served the 20 warrant, sir? 21 THE WITNESS: No, sir. He was not. 22 A JUROR: Thank you. 23 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes, sir? 24 A JUROR: Do your warrant s have 25 anything listed for like computer equipment  17 1 or things like that or is it -- 2 THE WITNESS: It did. 3 A JUROR: It did? 4 THE WITNESS: Yes. 5 And we did take computer equipment. 6 A JUROR: And is -- can you say 7 what's on it or -- 8 THE WITNESS: That was handled by the 9 special investigations unit. 10 And while I saw -- actually 1 physically saw the computers, and saw them 12 disconnected and removed, I never saw 13 anything that was on those computers. 14 A JUROR: And did they confiscate 15 passports or anything from anyone in the 16 home or -- 17 THE WITNESS: No, sir. Not 18 passports. 19 And there were weapons in the house, 20 rifles -- 21 A JUROR: And they left them. 22 THE WITNESS: -- that -- yes, sir. 23 They were left behind because that 24 was never part of what we were looking for, 25 so those were all left behind.  118 1 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes, sir? 2 THE WITNESS: Yes, sir? 3 A JUROR: Could you tell us, the a people that -- that you found there, who 5 they were? 6 THE WITNESS: Do I know who they 7 were? 8 A JUROR: The people -- yeah. Who 9 they were. 10 THE WITNESS: I understand one was 1 the property management -- manager. I 12 think he was either Germanic or possibly 13 Polish, he has an Eastern European accent. 14 A JUROR: That was the only person? 15 THE WITNESS: No. There were, I 16 think, three other people. 17 A JUROR: Who were they? 18 THE WITNESS: I don't know who they 19 were, sir. 20 MS. BELOHLAVEK: We can ask Detective 21 Recarey. 22 THE WITNESS: Right. Detective 23 Recarey would know who they were. 24 A JUROR: Do you know that the 25 gentlemen that owned the house was out --  119 1 did they tell you he was out of town? 2 THE WITNESS: Yes. We knew he was 3 out of town. Yes. 4 MS. BELOHLAVEK: All right. Thank 5 you. 6 THE WITNESS: Thank you all very 7 much. 8 (Witness excused.) 9 (WITNESS JOE RECAREY RECALLED) 10 CONTINUED EXAMINATION 1 BY MS. BELOHLAVEK: 12 Q. You're still under oath. 13 Who was in the home when the search warrant 14 was executed? 15 A. Several designers from New York City, and 16 Janusz Banasiak, his current houseman. 17 Q. Okay. Bnd where were those people located 18 in the mansion? 19 A. In the kitchen area. And there were some 20 that were in the main living room area. 21 Q. Downstairs -- 22 A. Downstairs, first floor. 23 Q. Okay. Computers were seized? 24 A. One computer -- two computers were seized. 25 One was the covert cameras, and the other one was  120 1 Mr. Banasiak's personal computer. 2 Q. On either the cameras or the personal 3 computer, did you find any evidence documenting 4 the sexual activity of these girls 5 (indiscernible)? 6 A. No. 7 Q. You spoke earlier about a twin torpedo that 8 was found in Nada's bedroom? 9 A. Correct. 10 Q. Using the diagram prepared by Investigator 1 Parkinson, can you indicate where -- which bedroom 12 that was in the house? 13 A. It would have been down towards this 14 bedroom here, I believe. 15 Q. And where was the massage table? 16 A. The massage -- well, each room has various 17 massage tables. And this was -- this was the 18 master bedroom with his master bath. And there 19 was massage tables here, here, and -- as well as 20 photographs all through here. 21 0. Okay. And the massage table the girls 22 described, was it in this room? 23 A. Correct. It was in the master bathroom 24 here. 25 Q. Okay. And other than the twin torpedo,  121 1 there were no other sexual toys found in the 2 house, other than the jelly from bedside? 3 A. The Joy Jelly. That's it. 4 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Any other questions 5 for Detective Recarey? 6 A JUROR: What is Jeffrey Epstein's 7 occupation? Just for the record. 8 THE WITNESS: He is a investor. He 9 invests billionaires’ monies. 10 MS. BELOHLAVEK: All right. 1 Thank you very much. 12 A JUROR: Is he a -- one more. 13 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Sorry. 14 A JUROR: Is he a United States 15 citizen? 16 THE WITNESS: Yes. 17 A JUROR: Born here? 18 THE WITNESS: Yes, sir. 19 MS. BELOHLAVEK: All right. 20 Thank you, Detective Recarey. 21 (Witness excused.) 22 (WITNESS I—) 23 MS. BELOHLAVEK: I'm going to ask you 24 to stand up for a second and raise your 25 right hand.  122 1 Do you swear to tell the truth, the 2 whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so 3 help you God? 4 THE WITNESS: Yes. 5 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Okay. Go ahead and 6 have a seat. 7 EXAMINATION 8 BY MS. BELOHLAVEK: 9 You're HESS 10 A. Yes. n 0. All right. NEEEEN, I'n going to request 12 that you do one thing while you're here -- or two. 13 Tell the truth, number one. 1 And number two, any questions you're asked, 15 make sure you answer yes or no. Not uh-huh or 16 uh-uh. It doesn't come out real clear. 17 A. Okay. 18 Q. Okay. Okay is good too. 19 ALL right. How old are you, NEN -- 20 introduce yourself. What's your name? 21 A. m— 22 oe 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. How old are you? 25 A. 18.  123 1 Q. When's your birthday? 2 EE 3 Q. Where do you live? 4 A. In Se— 5 Q. How long have you lived there? 6 A. Probably about 15 years or so. 7 Q. Who do you live with? 8 A. My father and his girlfriend. 9 Q. Where did you go to EEEN school? 10 A. EES School. 1 Q. Are you still in high school? 12 A. No. 13 Q. Did you graduate? 14 A. 1 got a GED. 15 Q. And when did you do that? 16 A. February. 17 Q. All right. Of this year, 2006? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. Okay. What grade were you in when you left 20 high school? 21 A. 12th. 22 Q. Do you know someone named MENS’ 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. How do you know NESS? 25 A. I met her through school and mutual  124 1 friends. 2 Q. How old is EEE in relation to you? 3 Are you the same age? Older? Younger? 4 A. I believe she's about a year older than 5 me -- 6 ©. Okay. 7 A. -- if not the same age. 8 Q. Was she in school with you? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. Was she a Senior when you were a Senior? n A. I think she was one grade ahead of me. 12 Q. Okay. What kind of relationship did you 13 have with mmm? 14 A. Um, we were friends, you could say. 15 Q. Okay. You know somebody named Jeffrey 16 Epstein? 17 A. Yes. 18 Q. How did you go about meeting Jeffrey 19 Epstein? 20 A. mmm introduced us. 21 Q. Did she take you over there one day or did 22 she talk to you about going there before you went? 23 A. She talked to me a little bit about it 24 beforehand, and then she went with me. 25 Q. Okay. Let's talk about that conversation  125 1 between you and EEE. What was it about? 2 A. She said that there was a man that lived in 3 Palm Beach. And that he was looking for young 4 girls to -- really, all she said beforehand was 5 that it would be a massage. 6 Q. Did she describe to you how you would have 7 to dress to do the massage? 8 A. She said to dress very girly, but that was 9° really all that she said beforehand. 10 0. Did she talk about how young he wanted the 1 girls? 12 A. No. 13 Q. Did she ever talk about if you were asked 14 your age what you would say? 15 A. No. 16 Q. Okay. When did you first go to Jeffrey 17 Epstein's home? 18 A. Um, I'm really not sure. 19 Q. Okay. Approximate time. Were you in your 20 Senior year at school or was it your Junior year 21 at school? 22 A. My Junior year. 23 Q. So you would have been -- how old were you 24 in your Senior year? 25 A. I -- well --  126 1 Q. You turned 18 -- 2 A. -- I turned 18 -- 3 0. -- in your Senior year? 4 A. -- in my Senior year, yes. 5 So I was 16 and 17 in my junior year. 6 Q. During the time that you went to Jeffrey 7 Epstein's home were you 16 or 172 8 A. I believe 16 the first time, but -- 9 ©. And then your birthday's in NESE? 10 A. Yes. 1 Q. 2004 you turned 17, and then 2005 you're 17 12 when you go there? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. Okay. Tell us about the first time that 15 you went there? 16 A. Um -- 17 Q. I know this is difficult. They've heard 18 other things, so don't be embarrassed. They just 19 need you to be honest. 20 A. I came in, and he asked me to take off my 21 shirt. And I gave him a back massage. And that 22 was more or less all that it was the first time. 23 Q. Okay. Did you take off your shirt when he 24 asked you to? 25 A. Yes.  127 1 Q. Was that only item of clothing you took off 2 that time? 3 A. Yes. a Q. Did he give you money for giving him a back 5 massage that first time? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. How much? 8 A. $200. 9 Q. Now you said the first time you think you 10 were 16. After that you were 17. n A. I may have already been 17. I'm not a 12 hundred percent sure. 13 Q. Okay. You may have been 17 even the first 14 time? 15 A. Right. 16 Q. Okay. How did it come about that you went 17 back to his house? 18 A. EEN asked me if it would be okay if I -- 19 or if she gave them my phone number. 20 And I said, yes. 21 Q. How were you contacted about going back 22 again? 23 A. Um, one of two girls that lived at the 24 house would call me. One was Nadia, and the 25 other, I can't remember her name.  128 1 Q. Was it Sarah? 2 A. sarah. Yes. 3 Q. Okay. And they would call your cell phone? 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. How many times do you think you went back 6 to Jeffrey Epstein's home? 7 A. Maybe 10 or so. 8 Q. Do you recall telling the detective you 9 thought maybe 15 times? 10 A. Possibly. I'm really mot -- 1 Q. Numerous times? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. Okay. The first time was just a massage, 14 and you got the $200? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. Did it progress to something other than 17 just massaging him? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. Tell us about what it progressed to? 20 A. He asked me to be completely naked while 21 doing it. 22 Q. Did you do that? 23 A. Yes. 24 He asked me to touch him. But I said no. 25 on --  129 1 ©. Did he make do you things you didn't want 2 to do? 3 A. No. 4 Q. Go ahead. What happened? 5 A. On one occasion, the last time I went 6 there, he engaged intercourse. 7 Q. Okay. How old were you then? 8 A. It was the day before my 18th birthday. 9 Q. Okay. Prior to the actual intercourse what 10 happened? Were there any sexual acts either n performed on you, you performing on him, or him 12 performing on himself? 13 A. He would touch himself. 14 Q. How would he do that? 15 A. What do you mean? 16 Q. I mean what -- what part of his body was he 17 touching? 18 A. His penis. 19 Q. Okay. Was he masturbating? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. Okay. Was that a regular occurrence? 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. And he never asked you to do more than 24 that, just -- did -- did you watch? Did he ask 25 you to watch or he just did it while you were  130 1 massaging him? 2 A. He just did it. 3 ©. Okay. When you were massaging him, did he 4 say anything to you or make any comments? 5 A. Um, polite conversation. 6 Q. Okay. What kinds of things was he asking 7 you? 8 A. Just about school, and what I was going to 9 do when I got older. 10 Q. He knew you were in school? 1 A. Yes. 12 ©. Did he know your age? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. Did you tell him that you were 17? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. When was that? 17 A. The first time that I was there I told him 18 how old I was. 19 0. Okay. Did he have a problem with that? 20 A. He did not seem to. 21 0. Okay. Let's go to the last time; whether 22 it's 10 or 15 times; when you had -- he penetrated 23 your vagina with his penis? 24 A. Yes. 25 ©. How did that come about?  131 1 A. He told me to lay down, cause he was going 2 to crack my back, which he had done before. And 3 he just sort of did it. 4 Q. I know this is difficult. You don't want 5 to be testifying about this, do you? 6 A. No. Not at all. 7 0. Okay. How much money were you paid during 8 the times that he masturbated in front of you? 9 A. It started at 200 the first couple times, 10 and then he changed it to 300. 1 Q. What about the final time when there was 12 the actual penetration? 13 A. 300. 14 Q. Why did you stop going there? 15 A. Well, I didn't really want to go after 16 that. And they didn't call anymore after that, 17 so. 18 Q. Okay. So it was a combination of both? 19 A. Yes. 20 0. If they had called? 21 A. Possibly, but I doubt it. 22 0. Okay. Did you receive anything other from 23 Mr. Epstein than the cash involved? I mean did he 24 give you a car or do anything else? 25 A. He gave me a digital camera.  132 1 And for my birthday he gave me, like, a 2 couple bras and panties. 3 Q. Okay. And was that your 18th birthday? 4 A. Yes. 5 ©. And he gave that to you too? 6 So you were still seeing him on your 18th 7 birthday? 8 A. It was the -- like -- 9 Q. Oh the day before, you testified? 10 A. Yes. n ©. Okay. Was anybody else present during the 12 massages you were giving to Mr. Epstein or when he 13 was masturbating? 14 A. One time Nadia was in the room. 15 Q. Which time was that? What -- what 16 activities were going on during the time that she 17 was in the room? 18 A. Um, well, him and her had intercourse while 19 he asked me to watch. 20 Q. When was that? 21 A. One of the last couple times. 22 ©. How long did that go on? 23 A. It was an hour. I was there for an hour 24 every time. 25 Q. Were you asked to participate in any way in  133 1 the sexual exchange going on between them? 2 A. Um, he asked me to touch her breasts, but 3 nothing more than that. 4 0. And did do you that? 5 A. Yes. 6 0. Okay. And did either of them touch you at 7 all during that time? 8 A. No. 9 0. Just one second. 10 You appear uncomfortable testifying here 1 today. Yes? 12 A. Yes. 13 0. This morning when we first met when you got 14 here, what did you ask me? 15 A. If there was any possible way I could not 16 testify. 17 ©. Were you told you wouldn't have to testify? 18 A. That was my understanding. 19 I expressed that I did not want to. And I 20 was told that I would be contacted later on with 21 more information on that and other subjects. 22 0. Were you ever contacted? 23 A. No. 24 Q. Till you got the subpoena from me? 25 A. Yes.  134 1 Q. Okay. Do you want Mr. Epstein to be 2 charged with any crimes in relation to what went 3 on between he and you? 4 A. Honestly, I don't really know. 5 Q. Okay. You expressed concerns about your 6 father -- 7 A. Yes. 8 Q. -- finding out about your activities. Does 9 he know what you were doing? 10 A. He has very minimal information. 1 ©. And when did he get that information? 12 A. 2 days ago, when I got the subpoena. 13 Q. Okay. So it's not something you've 1 confided in him about? 15 A. No. 16 0. Do you want to testify at a trial? 17 A. No. 18 0. Do you know how much money you've probably 19 got overall during this time? 20 A. No. 21 Q. Was your dad aware you were getting the 22 money or were you hiding it from him? 23 A. I guess you could say I hid it from him, 24 because I did not make it a point for him to know. 25 Q. Okay. You understand that you in effect  135 1 were committing prostitution yourself? 2 AI -- 3 A JUROR: Can she speak up, please? 4 0. can you speak up? 5 A. Yes. 6 0. Okay. Is that an activity you have 7 stopped? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. Okay. I'm going to ask at this point if 10 the grand jurors have any questions for you, okay? 1 Do you need a minute? 12 A. I'm fine. 13 Q. Okay. 14 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Any questions for 15 Miss mm—2 16 A JUROR: I didn't quite hear. 17 During the time you were a Junior, did 18 Mr. Epstein actually have -- penetrate you 19 while you were a Junior? 20 THE WITNESS: While I was a Junior in 21 high school, no. 22 A JUROR: Then how old were you? 23 Again, I -- 24 THE WITNESS: I was still 17 at the 25 time.  136 1 A JUROR: You were still 17? 2 THE WITNESS: Yes. 3 MS. BELOHLAVEK: The day before your 4 18th birthday? 5 THE WITNESS: Yes. 6 A JUROR: Did you -- do you have -- 7 still have contact with Mr. Epstein? 8 THE WITNESS: No. 9 A JUROR: Does he -- do you have the 10 same cell phone? n THE WITNESS: No. I've had three 12 different numbers since then. 13 A JUROR: And you do know that since 14 you're 18 now, she's not -- that you could 15 be prosecuted? 16 THE WITNESS: Yes. 17 A JUROR: What? 18 THE WITNESS: Yes. 19 A JUROR: And you still say you would 20 not testify against Mr. Epstein? 21 THE WITNESS: No. I would not like 22 to. 23 A JUROR: Would you? 2a THE WITNESS: I suppose if I had 25 another subpoena to where -- that -- going  137 1 to jail; yes, I would. 2 A JUROR: The lady back there. 3 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Any other questions 4 for Miss mmm? 5 Yes, ma'am. 6 A JUROR: You did not want to have 7 intercourse with him? 8 THE WITNESS: No. 9 A JUROR: Did you ask him to stop? 10 THE WITNESS: No. 1 A JUROR: And why? 12 THE WITNESS: I'm not really sure. 13 A JUROR: Do you think he took 14 advantage of your youth? 15 THE WITNESS: Maybe. 16 But it was also stupid of me to put 17 myself in that situation. 18 A JUROR: Perhaps you were too young 19 to be up against a man of that age who had 20 more control over you and that you knew. 21 THE WITNESS: Yes. 22 A JUROR: Do you feel it's wrong of 23 him to take advantage of your youth? 24 THE WITNESS: Yes, I do. 25 A JUROR: And did he take away from  138 1 your person, your being, your spirit? 2 THE WITNESS: Yes. 3 A JUROR: And would you testify 4 against him for what he has done and the 5 wrong he has done? 6 THE WITNESS: No. Because I would 7 like to put it behind me for the most part. 8 I was successful until about 2 days ago. 9 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes, ma'am? 10 A JUROR: Yes. So the reason that 1 you don't want to testify is more just 12 because of personal embarrassment? 13 THE WITNESS: Yes. 14 A JUROR: Okay. 15 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes, sir? 16 A JUROR: Jeffrey knew or you had 17 said that you did tell him you were only 18 172 19 THE WITNESS: Yes. He was -- 20 A JUROR: And he was aware of that? 21 THE WITNESS: He was well aware of my 22 age from the very beginning. 23 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes, ma'am? 24 A JUROR: If you had a daughter, 25 would you want her to testify or tell you?  139 1 THE WITNESS: I don't really know. 2 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes, ma'am? 3 A JUROR: Would it mean anything 4 special to you if you could be the person 5 that's strong enough to stand up to put him 6 away so he will never ever do this to 7 somebody else? 8 Could you be strong enough to do that 9 or want to do that? 10 THE WITNESS: I wish that I could say 1 that I could, but I really don't think that 12 1 can. 13 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Any other questions 14 for Miss -- 15 A JUROR: Yeah. 16 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes. 17 A JUROR: The pursuit, this idea 18 about testifying, would you do it -- I 19 mean, would you testify if you were 20 subpoenaed, and would you tell the truth? 21 THE WITNESS: If I did not have a 22 choice whether or mot to testify, obviously 23 1 would have to. 24 Yes, I would tell the truth, because 25 if I'm going to have to do it, I might as  140 1 well do it right. 2 A JUROR: I think, for your 3 character -- for your own well-being -- 4 MS. BELOHLAVEK: You have to ask 5 questions, not comment. 6 A JUROR: Okay. To testify would be 7 the right thing to do and the legal thing 8 to do. 9 A JUROR: Is that a question? 10 MS. BELOHLAVEK: We need a question. 1 A JUROR: Would you do it under those 12 circumstances? 13 THE WITNESS: Like I said, if it was 14 between testifying and going to jail, I 15 would testify. Which is why I'm here 16 today. 17 MS. BELOHLAVEK: All right. 18 Thank you, Miss NEN. 19 (Witness excused.) 20 (WITNESS JENSEN ROSS) 21 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Raise your right 22 hand. 23 Do you swear to tell the truth, the 24 whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so 25 help you God?  141 1 THE WITNESS: I do. 2 EXAMINATION 3 BY MS. BELOHLAVEK: 4 Q. Can you introduce yourself, Mr. Ross? 5 A. Yes. My name is Jensen Ross. I am the 6 chief investigator with the State Attorneys Office 7 in Palm Beach County. 8 Q. How long have you been in that position? 9 A. I have been the chief investigator for 10 3 years, and I have been employed by the State 1 Attorneys Office for approximately 13 years. 12 Q. And what did you do before that? 13 A. 1 worked for the West Palm Beach Police 14 Department from 1970 until 1993 when I started 15 with the State Attorneys Office. 16 Q. You have reviewed some documents regarding 17 several witnesses in this case? 18 A. Yes, ma'am. 19 0. Okay. I want to take you back to NEE 20 — 21 EEESS— as testifying about some 22 drug use. Isn't, in fact, there a police report 23 regarding drinking and drug use by IESE 24 A. There's a police incident report from 25 ES Sheriff Department in HESSEN  142 1 — 2 Q. Okay. And in that case there was some boys 3 drinking, but it never indicates she was drinking? 4 A. I believe so. Yes, ma'am. 5 Q. Okay. 6 A. She was caught with the boys and they were 7 drinking. 8 Q. Okay. Is there another -- I believe it's 9 Exhibit B that you reviewed? 10 A. Yes, ma'am. 1 Q. Did NEES disappear from her home 12 that caused concern to her mother? 13 A. Yes. Your -- her mother reported her as 14 missing to the police. 15 Q. And was -- where did her mother think she 16 was? 17 A. She was in a known drug area, she believed. 18 Q. When they finally located her, I guess a 19 day after she took off -- 20 A. Yes. 21 0. -- did she indicate that she had been 22 drinking and doing drugs that previous night? 23 A. She has stated she had been drinking and 24 doing the -- and doing drugs the night before. 25 And she got scared and called her parents.  143 1 Q. Okay. There are police reports from 2 EEE cctivity in 3 I'm going to refer you to Exhibit C. | 4 A. Yes, ma'am. 5 Q. On March 31st of 2006, was there a police 6 report regarding IEEE? 7 A. Yes, ma'am. She was reported as missing on 8 that date also. 9 Q. Okay. But it was her father who reported 10 her missing? 1 A. That's correct. 12 Q. Did you say how long she had been gone? 13 Out the night before, and then came home at 14 5:30 -- 15 A. I believe that's what it was. 16 Q. -- in the morning? 17 A. Yes. I believe so. Yes, ma'am. 18 Q. And how did she and her sister come home in 19 the morning to get into the house? 20 A. They had returned and were inside the 21 residence when the police arrived. 22 And they were packing their clothes, and 23 they were going to move out of the residence. 24 Q. Okay. Were observations made as to 25 their -- she and her sister's physical demeanor at  144 1 the time? 2 A. There was indications that they had been 3 doing alcohol and drugs. And I believe the father 4 had also reported that when they were dropped off 5 that he believed the person that dropped ‘em off 6 was a young drug dealer from the area. 7 0. And were they taken to school and were 8 they -- did they have to come pick NEEEN up from 9 school? 10 A. Uh, yes. They were taken back to school. 1 And then they received a police call from the 12 school security, the policeman that's assigned to 13 the school, and asked that they come retrieve 14 their -- her, because she appeared to be 15 intoxicated at that time. 16 ©. And there was actually a witness that 17 testified about NEEM taking two and a half Xanax 18 bars? 19 A. I believe, yes, that's what it was. On the 20 31st of March. 21 Q. And Xanax is a controlled substance? 22 A. Yes, ma'am. 23 Q. And it would be a felony to possess that? 24 A. Yes, ma'am. 25 If you are caught with it, did not have a  145 1 prescription or anything, you could be arrested 2 and charged with a felony. 3 Q. Okay. You've reviewed INES 4 Myspace.com -- 5 A. Yes. 6 Q. -- website information? 7 A. Yes. I have looked at it. 8 Q. Does she misrepresent her age on there? 9 A. I believe there were four different 10 occasions. On March the 5th she reported her age 1 as 18. On the same date in another entry she 12 reported her age as 17. On March the 28th of 2006 13 she reports her age as being 16. And then again 14 on April the 5th she reports her age as being 15. 15 Q. And on there does she also talk about doing 16 drugs and drinking alcohol? 17 A. Yes, ma'am. She does. 18 0. What about shoplifting? Does she report 19 she's ever shoplifted? 20 A. She adnits to that. Lots of shoplifting. 21 That's -- specific. 22 Q. Her web name, what does she have as her web 23 name on the website? 24 Exhibit H, I believe. 25 A. I believe it's called EEESS—  146 1 Q. And does her website also include pictures 2 of her in skimpy attire, drinking alcohol, and 3 sexually provocative photos? a A. Yes, ma'am. 5 Q. I'm going to show you these photos. Are 6 these photos of EENEN that were on her website? 7 A. Yes, ma'am. 8 0. okay. 9 ———— {os EES— been 10 arrested? 1 A. Yes, ma'am. 12 Q. When was that arrest? 13 A. September the 15th of 2005 she had charges 14 filed against her for possession of marijuana, and 15 possession of drug paraphernalia. 16 Q. And that was during the time that she was 17 seeing Mr. Epstein -- 18 A. I -- 19 Q. -- the suspect in this matter? 20 A. I can't answer that. 21 Q. Okay. What about theft allegations, has 22 she admitted to stealing also? 23 A. She was employed by ENS. And 24 in November of 2006 she was accused by her 25 employer, and she admitted to it.  147 1 Q. She also had some MySpace.com website? 2 A. Yes, ma'am. 3 Q. On there does she go through and write out 4 about a falsification of records and lies to 5 people that she has done? © A. Yes. That is included in some of the 7 documents that I reviewed. 8 ©. Exhibit C, could you read what she wrote on 9 August 5, 20052 10 A. Hey. Wow, not living with my parents 1 anymore is the shit. For all of you who are not 12 aware, I moved to NENMENNNNNN. So far everything 13 is going well. Well -- and I am getting along; 14 not like everyone predicted. 15 Oh, when you guys live together, all that 16 time together will be horrible. And that's in 17 quotations. The complete opposite of the matter 18 of fact. 19 1 went job hunting the second day that we 20 were here, but all I did was get applications. 21 The day after that I was, like, fucking -- fuck 22 this, and I didn't return -- turn them in. I just 23 got so tired. Yesterday is when I took them. 24 I ended up getting a job at NEN 25 EEE. I only get paid $6.40 an hour, but  148 1 hopefully that will change soon. I also get a 2 discount at all the INEEGCG_G_GN, EE 3 EE ond EE 4 I like my boss so far. I mean, he only met 5 me twice, but she's real cool 6 BEEN is trying to get a job at an EEN. He 7 likes music, so I think he's going -- it's going 8 to fit for him -- a good fit for him. I really 9 hope he gets it. The boss guy called him back to 10 set up an interview the day he came in with the 1 application, I think that's a good sign. It 12 starts at 4 p.m. 13 He's at the mall right mow. I got to call 14 him and ask him how it went in the -- in a little 15 while. Its only 3:45 right now. 16 Oh, it was so funny. I used him as one of 17 my references for my EEEEEN; which I interpreted 18 being NENSESSSNNNNNNN; and the lady called me back 19 and told me that EEN gave me such a 20 outstanding reference that she did not need to 21 call anyone else back. He got me the job just 22 like that. He made me sound so fucking good -- so 23 fucking great. 24 I lied and said that he was the old store 25 manager for NEENSNEEEN. She bought it.  149 1 There's a notation, S-T-R 8. I'm not 2 exactly sure what that makes reference to. 3 No complaints from me. Okay, well I got to 4 go smoke some resin, considering I have a limited 5 supply of Mary J and have to conserve. 6 I miss everyone back home. I love you 7 guys. Don't forget about me. 8 Q. In Exhibit C, does she make references to 9 being famous? 10 A. There is -- yes. She would like to be 1 famous or known to be famous. 12 0. And how does she indicate she would like to 13 be famous? 14 A. There is a notation on one of her blogs, 15 that she says she would like to meet Bill Clinton 16 this week, because someone -- and this is in 17 quotes now -- "Someone could be so famous for 18 sucking his dick; that's how famous I could be." 19 End of quote. 20 Q. Okay. And then there's a lot of other 21 stuff where she talks about accepted use of 22 marijuana? 23 A. Referred to as weed, yes. 24 0. Right. 25 And pictures on her website of her smoking  150 1 weed and drinking beer? 2 A. That's correct. 3 Q. Holding a bong-type pipe? 4 A. Correct. 5 Q. Okay. 6 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Any questions for 7 MI. Ross? 8 Okay. 9 A JUROR: When you refer to doing 10 drugs, does that means smoking dope? 1 I mean, what does that mean? 12 Drinking? I don't -- you know, does it 13 encompass -- 14 THE WITNESS: My interpretation is 15 that'd either be smoking marijuana or doing 16 hard drugs, cocaine or something like that. 17 If it was drinking I would refer to 18 it as drinking alcohol. But when they 19 refer to doing drugs, it's either smoking 20 marijuana or talking a hard drug such and 21 cocaine or something. 22 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Do you know what -- 23 A JUROR: Thank you, sir. 24 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Do you know what 25 smoking resin means?  151 1 THE WITNESS: I have not heard that 2 resin used before. That's something new to 3 ne. a MS. BELOHLAVEK: Other questions? 5 Yes, ma'am. 6 A JUROR: What was the date when she 7 was talking about being famous? Do you 8 know? 9 MS. BELOHLAVEK: It's Exhibit D. 10 THE WITNESS: Yeah. 1 I'm going through that exhibit now to 12 find the exact location. 13 MS. BELOHLAVEK: On the first page. 14 Log-in date, 11 -- 15 THE WITNESS: 11/7/2005. 16 A JUROR: Thank you. 17 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Any other questions? 18 Yes, ma'am? 19 A JUROR: The -- the one girl who had 20 moved to NEEM, you mentioned that she 21 had run away or was missing several times. 22 Was that while she was here or after she 23 moved to NENENEN that she started being -- 24 she was missing? 25 Her parents didn't know where she  152 1 was. 2 THE WITNESS: That was in both 3 EE and in EEE 4 A JUROR: Do you typically find that 5 teenagers that have MySpaces tend to tell 6 the truth on those websites or tend to try 7 to sound adventurous or -- what is -- is 8 their accuracy to their statements? 9 THE WITNESS: This would be a 10 personal observation on my part; and I 1 would say, no. 12 I would think it would be -- it would 13 be more that it wasn't the truth. And 14 that's just my personal observation. I 15 have no data to support that or mot, that's 16 just a personal observation. 17 Yes sir? 18 A JUROR: Are there any kind of 19 school reports, psychological reports, 20 arrest records that would, you know, 21 indicate behavior like this from this girl 22 from her early age? 23 THE WITNESS: Those are the only 24 police reports that I have, is the one from 25 Georgia and the ones from Florida. If  153 1 there's others, I haven't been made 2 available to those. 3 A JUROR: Okay. 4 THE WITNESS: And the psychological 5 report, I wouldn't -- 6 MS BELOHLAVEK: The report -- Palm 7 Beach County Sheriff's report on NEE 8 EEE, Exhibit C -- 9 THE WITNESS: Okay. 10 MS. BELOHLAVEK: -- did they speak 1 with her father? 12 Second page of that report. 13 And did he indicate, EEEEN has been 14 to a facility for drug use? 15 THE WITNESS: There was a reference 16 to EEENENEEN. I'n assuming that -—- 17 MS. BELOHLAVEK: For drug use? 18 THE WITNESS: Yes. 19 MS. BELOHLAVEK: And does it say that 20 EEE has been using -- as told by the 21 father, using narcotics since the age of 22 142 23 THE WITNESS: Yes. 24 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes, ma'am? 25 A JUROR: Yes.  154 1 since she was in the family center or 2 drug rehab, whatever it was, how has her 3 behavior been or what has her drug activity 4 been? 5 THE WITNESS: I have no direct 6 knowledge of that. 7 MS. BELOHLAVEK: The most recent 8 report is dated when? 9 Palm Beach County report. 10 THE WITNESS: Palm Beach County. 1 Palm Beach County report is dated March the 12 31st of 2006. 13 MS. BELOHLAVEK: And that was -- 14 she's back in Palm Beach County. 15 THE WITNESS: Yes. 16 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Because the 17 incidents in NEE were all in 18 November -- 19 THE WITNESS: November. 20 MS. BELOHLAVEK: -- 2005, or 21 January 20062 22 THE WITNESS: That's correct. 23 A JUROR: When -- when was she in the 24 rehabilitation? What's the date that she 25 was in?  155 1 THE WITNESS: This was after -- well 2 it's noted in the Palm Beach County report, 3 the police report, that she had been to 4 EEE or drug treatment. It -- 5 MS. BELOHLAVEK: So previous to her 6 taking the Xanax bars? 7 THE WITNESS: Correct. But there's 8 no exact date described in the report. 9 A JUROR: So I guess I was going to 10 ask, in the last year or (indiscernible) 1 since March, how has her behavior -- 12 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Do you have 13 knowledge of that Mr. Ross? 14 THE WITNESS: No, I do not. 15 A JUROR: Recent -- is she still 16 currently involved in (indiscernible) -- 17 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Do you have any 18 knowledge about that? 19 THE WITNESS: No, ma'am. I do not. 20 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes, ma'am? 21 A JUROR: What are Xanax bars? 22 MS. BELOHLAVEK: We can find that out 23 for you. 24 A JUROR: Okay. 25 MS. BELOHLAVEK: And you'll know  156 1 after lunch. 2 Any other questions? 3 All right. How about we take a lunch 4 break till 1:30? 5 Oh, wait. 6 A JUROR: I had one question. 7 Would anybody else here like to bring 8 EE. back? 9 A JUROR: No. 10 A JUROR: No. 1 A JUROR: No. 12 A JUROR: EEE or NENEN? 13 A JUROR: EEN. 14 A JUROR: NEEM, excuse me. NENEN. 15 The only reason I have is that -- 16 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Let's not do this in 17 front of the witness, okay? 18 A JUROR: Okay. 19 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Thank you, Mr. Ross. 20 (Witness excused.) 21 (WITNESS JENSEN ROSS RECALLED) 22 CONTINUED EXAMINATION 23 BY MS. BELOHLAVEK: 24 Q. Jurors asked you a question earlier about, 25 what is Xanax?  157 1 A. Yes. And during -- 2 ©. Were you able to find that out? 3 A. Yes. 4 During our break I went back and I 5 researched it. 6 And using what is referred to as a PDR, 7 which is a Physicians Desk Reference; and it 8 identifies and gives drugs and everything like 9 that. They identify, Xanax is a tranquilizer used 10 in the short term relief of symptoms of anxiety or 1 the treatment of anxiety disorders. 12 Q. Okay. And possession of that without a 13 prescription, someone could be charged with a 14 felony? 15 A. That is correct. 16 MS. BELOHLAVEK: All right. 17 Thank you very much. 18 (Witness excused.) 19 (Proceeding concluded 12:52 p.m.) 20 21 22 23 24 25  158 1 CERTIFICATE 2 3 THE STATE OF FLORIDA, © county oF PALM BEACH. 5 I, CATHERINE P. DORE, R.P.R. and 6 Official Court Reporter for the Fifteenth Judicial 7 Circuit, Criminal Division, in and for Palm Beach 8 County, Florida; do hereby certify that I was 9 authorized to and did transcribe the foregoing 10 proceedings at the time and place aforesaid; and 11 that the preceding pages numbered from 1 to 157, 12 inclusive, represent a true and accurate 13 transcription of the audio recording of said 14 proceedings. 1s IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto 16 affixed my official signature this 17th day of 17 July, 2023. 18 atta Sle, 20 21 22 23 CATHERINE P. DORE, R.P.R. 24 and Official Court Reporter 25