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currently aprisoner
at
the
CCA Immigration Detention Facility Diego, California, and awaiting deportation to
Belize. Black letter to the Department of Homeland
Security
in
San
Diego advising had information regarding captioned
subject and others.
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the letter
is
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was interviewed
he se
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the U.S.
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San Diego, California, byTi::ii:?:?fii??ft
FBI, and Steve Schultz, DHS
ICE. After
advising the
nature
of
identities of
the interview,[:::::]vo1untarily
possessed regarding , U
the interviewing
agents and
the
provided the information he
Mohdar Abdullah:
While
at
the CCA
Detention Facility,
San Diego,
California ecame acquainted several with indiyidgglshq
to in
lude
[::::::jwas assignedto acell room next
to the above mentioned inmates
in
theafriendship isolationtypeunit
of
the facility.
Through daily contact ;;;;;F relationship with Mohdar
Abdullah and Because ofthis bond,
Mohdar participated began telling[::::]of his invo vement with two of the hijackers who
in
the terrorist began
attacks on
September ll,
2001. [:::::]supported
Mo
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by
concurring when[::::::Fepeated Mohdar s toTfif:i:7 stories F
of the
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toldE;::;l Mohdar knewindependent what the intentions prior
to
t e aacks.
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of
hijackers were
Mohdar s claims.
stated the hijackers spent
how time
he
knewthethis,
to which[::;::]
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aot
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as abase
should be noted, investigation mentioned above as Nawaf
two of attack into
the hijackers
Al
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others.
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previously identified Hamza and Khalid Al
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participated in
the Pentagon.
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that after
of the
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the time period of September or October, 2003, contact with the hijackers
Mohdar became aware
hijackers intention
to carry
out an
attack before
the attacks
occurred on September ll,
2001. The hijackers had also invited Mohdar
to join them on the airplane and participate
in
the attack. Mohdar knew the attack would consist of an airplane flying into a building, however, Mohdar stated he did not know which
building. Mohdar l ' exp aine
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California,
th h"
in
2000.
regarding above.
the did
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the a
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further specific
details
not give[::f:::}urther specific
ove.
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carried out
the terrorist
States on
September 11.
the United
States wished
countries of
attack against
to take
the world.
States would
control over
Islam from
culture to
of the
were Muslims
They believed
then eliminate
their Western
the people
The hijackers
all the
that the
people of
and s
Mohdar tol
the United
States were
United States
would not
deport him
so he
read
about
the hijackers had against
United States policy. said contradict himself by stating how messed up the state how
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the hatred Mohdar would
and later
that
Muslim
these countries
these countries.
United
who believed
much he,
peop e
of
Mohdar, wished
could remain
living
the
in
the
United States.
U! Mohdar
told[:::::]he first learned ofthe terrorist
plot from the hijackers during a dinner at
California. The meeting took place after attended prayer at a
Mosque in San Diego.
identified. Mohdar and the hijackers were
to the restaurant by was L originally from
Mohdar saw asked for hijackers to
SomaIiaLJ in
the ri
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the meeting
same meeting, their lease
country.
the Mosque
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in
San
Diego, the hijackers was not
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the Mosque
At the time, Iin San Dieqoj was
that outside
restaurant where
during the remainder of
a restaurant Mohdar and The Mosque driven from
an too
Mohdar and
and
the
not provide the name or the location for
took place.
Mohdar also
the hijackers wanted Mohdar at the hijackers apartment.
the
mentioned that
to take Mohdar
over the did not
mention thename orlocation of the apartmentto[:::::] however, it was
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Diego. Mohdar did not mention why the hijackers were moving out of the apartment
[:::::f:::::] had moved the intoapartment.A
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how much
time was
left on
the lease
U! Mohdaralso told[:::::]he several false
identification cards
Park where
names from
hijackers from near McArthur
the unknown
that
helped thehijackers obtain
with false
individual. Mohdar drove the in Los Angeles, California,
near Huntington
Mohdar stated
an unknown
San Diego
to an Park and a second
individual was
cards. Mohdar purchased approximately four or California Department of Motor
Vehicle identification
area location
selling the
five fraudulent cards and
gave
Ethetifrds the
to hijackers.
No further information given was to about the
above.
U! Black learned that Mohdar hadaske
[:;;::::::]to provide him, Mohdar, with legal papers letters or stating e person
named on
the letter
was from
Somalia. As
mentioned above
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people named in the
further information
letters.
about the
could
letters or
not
ow Mohdar
used
the letters.
U! [:::::]stated
Mohdar was born in Italy but raised
in Yemen.
Mohdar claimed
to be a citizen of Italy.
Mohdar also lived in Saudi Arabia and Algeria.
Mohdar has always had the wish of becoming a citizen of
Saudia Arabia.
Note, prior investigation has shown
that Mohdar
was born
in Yemen.
U! Afterthis initial interview ofL;:;:;;Lfurther checks revealed that on February
Zl, 2003,[:g::::hail ter to the San
Diego Division, Center, stating
had dreams
while he he had
about a
was in custo y premonitions about
at the San Diego future terrorist
battleship being
sunk while
Detention attacks.
there were
lots of
E:;;;;;grs
on
board, sending panic throughout the country.
At the same time that was happening, the nation's busiest air ort identified
by
[::::::hs beingin Memphis,was being targeted. [:f:::jemphasized that he has
had this
necessary at
same dream
on two
occasions. No
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ranging from
bank robbery
to sale
substance. [::::::pdvised
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and distribution
the interviewing
agents requested
to make contact wit
of controlled
agents he
personnel from
had previously
the CCA
Immigration
and ask himthe ifhe wasbutamenable
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request wanted his attorney present. b7C
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in
agreement, howeve , ted to discuss the with
her office.
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SA E::::::]was
for the
San Diego
later notified
that her
Public Defenders
office was
Office.
not in agreement
with case agents interviewing Abdoun. It should be noted that
Mohdar Abdullah is also being represented by the San Diego
Public Defenders Office.
Abdul1ah s attorney is Jason Ser. The San Diego
OUSA is inquiring as
to aconflict of interest by the attorney's at San Diego
Public Defenders Office.
U! On
May 14,
2004,
apolygraph
examination was
administered toL:::;;:] Refer to polygrap' port.
the
It wasthe
opinion theofan iego paleographer thaaEf:f;fTdid shownot
deception. The
results will
be evaluated
yt
FBIHQ. After the polygraph examination, afollow was conducted by case agents.[::::::]stated that
October 2003,
Mohdar made
the statement
that he,
going to be an attack on the United States attacks occurred.
Mohdar made this statement close group of inmates while they were out
The
unit Mohdar
so they
and the
would routinely
other inmates
have the
were
yard to
s §énT
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unit
at
up interview of[:::::]
in
September or
Mohdar, knew
there was
three weeks before the
in
the presence of
a
in
the day yard area of
CCA.
in
was
the isolation
themselves. Mohdar
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and the
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comfortable saying or oth r' ates
anything while
in
the
in
close proximity to
yard because overhear any
there
of
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their conversations.T::if?] said Mohdar this statementbeing
of
forewarned weeks
in
advance three in made the company I oi land
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re interviewed as to how he was obtained Mohdar the above
mentio
and
. an Mohdar
andl I
and had
particular dates
provided, for
approximately two
Mohdar,[::::::::::::::]were not built
inmates
arapport
participation came
numerous conversations,
very open
as
agroup
the CCA.
with information.
before the
about through
no
years at details of
cell talks
The
Mohdar's
and talks
out
in
the
yard.
U! It shou ld be notedthad[:::::]does not knowifthe
above
mentioned statements andinsinuations are true aboutMohdar, but again confirmed
that he
statements, par
ilar
was present
when Mohdar
the statement
of him
made numerous
being forewarned
9/ll attacks.
Ef:f ] could not judge ifMohdar made the
st
order to
of the
in
impress
or
elevate his status with other inmates.
said of the statements were brought up
in
conversation
y
with Mohdar just acknowledging the statements.
Mohdar never estatements about his involvement and
kn
ledge
of
the
attacks. Mohdar madestatement the in frontof[:ift]that Mohdar, he, enie
surprised when
was not
September ll,
he saw
the attacks
U! I
hijackers participating
in
the
hear this
up again
meeting
taking
pace
on television
on
2001.
topic brought mentioned above,
arestaurant
mentioned that
in
San
bombing of
in
the
that Mohdar was awareof the
the USS Cole. E:::::]did presence of
Mohdar or
not
others.
that Mohdar learned of the USSCole at the where Mohdar
had dinner
Diego. However,
there was
afourth
during this
person at
with the
hijackers at
re interview,[:::::]
the restaurant.
The
unknown lessons person was described
as
an
individual who was taking provide
in
Arizona, no further information. [:::::::::::]did any further information regarding
Mohdar's knowledge bombing of the
USS Cole.
It should be noted previous investigation placed Hani
Hanjour attend a flight school hijacker on
in
San
Diego to
in
Arizona.
pick up Nawaf Hanjour was
Flight 77.
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m
named I
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was aware of the
above information
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believes[£::::::]would be able.
to validate
[repeated 3 times] information. A
that is
currently an
check with
inmate at
t
a U.S.
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DHS ICE revealed
Prison in
Atlanta,
Georgia.
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It should be noted the ICE recordsnot do reveal£;;:::::] was
in
the
San
Diego area
at
any time.
Nevertheless[::::::Asta
[:::::;:]was an inmate the in isolation unit atCCA during t etime perio of
March/April 2003
to February 2004.
U! Data
base checks described[::::::] as
follows:
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Federal custody:
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