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From: jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 1:56 AM To: Joscha Bach Subject: Re: now.? or read trivers on genetic conflict <=div> On Tue, May 8, 2018 at=11:44 AM Joscha Bach wrote: There is probabl= an evolutionary algorithm that describes the competition of the neural wi=ings during the formation of our brains, i.e. in the development of every =ndividual. Not sure if there is an equivalent of to male/female sexual sel=ction, and what it would look like! =div>On May 8, 2018, at 8:33 AM, jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com <mailto:jeevacati=n@gmail.com> > wrote: <=r class="m_-4945126078866447802Apple-interchange-newline"> trivers genetic competion . male female genes. in the =dult On Tue, May=8, 2018 at 2:52 AM Joscha Bach rote: I am still trying to understand your question. </=iv> - What do you mean by genetic conflict in a single individual? - What do you mean by machine state? Perhap= you refer to a cybernetic regulation paradigm? Valentino Braitenberg sugg=sted to understand Al from a regulation perspective: feedback loops to app=oach a target state (homeostatic equilibrium). The behavior regulation can=be described with payoffs across many sub-behaviors (which Minsky called a=ents and agencies). Whenever you get a situation where the local cost func=ions lead to a Nash equilibrium that is incompatible with the global goals=of the organism, you introduce a higher level regulation that imposes offs=ts on the payoff matrices of the lower level agents. This leads to the for=ation of an internal governance hierarchy. I think that this was=the core idea of Rodney Brooks' subsumption architecture. (Eventua=ly, Brooks' work did not pan out, he started building Roombas and =awn movers and became an Al pessimist.) On May 7, 2018, at 9:17 PM, jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com</a> wrote: my question relate to the=metabphor of genetic conflict in a single indiv , is there an =quivalent . machine internal competition EFTA_R1_01542984 EFTA02446438 On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 8:06 PM Joscha Bach rote: I think that the whole game=is internal. All our pleasure and pain are caused by satisfying or frustra=ing our needs, which are (roughly speaking) implemented in our reptilian b=ain. Our neocortex is modeling these needs as purposes, so we can regulate=our behavior for satisfying our needs. For example, the=physical pain, and hunger and thirst exist on the level of needs, and surv=val is a purpose, a kind of modeling abstraction, as are food and drink.4=iv> Many of our purposes are outside of the organism, such as relation=hip purposes, and social purposes. Even our aesthetic purposes (like Jeffr=y enjoying an intellectual standoff between Bannon and Summers) are not re=lIy related to the organism. While the needs are =omewhat hardcoded, our reaction to them is not (we can modulate pain and p=easure experiences, we can route our regulation around satisfying our need=, and we can repurpose our needs for competence, dominance, affiliation, a=d aesthetics for almost arbitrary goals. By changing the regulation goals =which is always internal to our mind) we change the payoff matrix. On May 7, 2018, at 8:43 AM, Jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com> w=ote: i posit that thre is an internal game with its own payoff ma=rix , separate from the external . is =here a machine internal state equivalent. =lease note The information contained in this communication is c=nfidential, may be attorney-client privileged, may constitute inside in=ormation, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the =roperty of JEE Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this co=munication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawf=l. 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