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From: jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 3:50 PM To: Joscha Bach Subject: Re: no, i disagree , the spaceship is only a= advanced prostthetic. . . not interesting at all. . in=eresting is we have no idea what the top down for humans is. . =A0collective . group behavior, I dont see any differnce betwe=n humans and cells , just a different layer of the same. =AO. regulatory systems. actions feedbacks and " l=arning " ,. all with no goal . the goals are illusions. = that the indiv thinks they decide. like the soldier ant that is re=apitualted to a garbage ant if the garbage ants are wiped out. =A0the soldier ant thinks it made the decsion. . On Mon, Mar 6, 2017=at 11:25 AM, Joscha Bach wrote:=br> Exac=ly! Sensors like that are often one of these solution that get you 80% of =he way with 20% of the effort. Except that minds that take 15 years to tra=n are o dramatically more expensive that almost no species can afford them=(but they end up getting you to the moon, which no prosthesis can). Am Mar 6, 2017 urn 7:08=AM schrieb jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com <mailto:jeevacation@gmail.com»: they may have physi=al prothesitcs like cat whiskers. to enable it to guage=C2 widith of hole. On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 8:03 PM, Joscha Bach la wrote: Most animals don't have a self model, probably because they don8d1=93 have complex enough brains or long enough training phases (childhoods)=to do meta-regulation. > On Mar 5, 2017, at 16:48, jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com <mailto:jeevacation=gmail.com> > wrote: > Law of large numbers is all that is needed > On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 5:46 PM Joscha Bach wrote: > I am not sure how to relate that to game theory; you may be able to ge= that without evolutionary competition. However, game theory is probably t=e way to explain how we evolve submission to norms beyond indirect recipro=ity. EFTA_R1_01904099 EFTA02657766 > On Mar 5, 2017, at 12:12, jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com <mailto:jeevac=tion@gmail.com> wrote: > > » i wonder in game theory what advantage it gives. . > On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Joscha Bach » absolutely. so are truth and meaning > > > Am 05.03.2017 um 11:52 schrieb jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com <mailto:j=evacation@gmail.com»: > > >» i is a mental construct that gives an evolutionary adva=tage , . »> >» On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 11:29 AM, Joscha Bach > » I believe that I think, but am "I" the agent of thi=king? »> »> »> »> »> > >» On Mar 5, 2017, at 08:34, jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com> w=ote: >>> r=te: wrote: > >» I sugggest the expression really shoul= be "I think, therefore I believe I am " > » > »» »» > » > -- > » > please note >>> The information contained in this communication is > >» confidential, may be attorney-client privileged, may > >» constitute inside information, and is intended only for<=r> > >» the use of the addressee. 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