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: November 19, 2019 Additional
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United States Courthouse
300 Quaroppas Street
White Plains, New York
July 8, 2020
10:05 a.m.
Assistant United States Attorney
Acting Grand Jury Reporter
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United States v. Ghislaine Maxwell
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PROCEEDINGS
(10:05 a.m.)
MS.
Let the record reflect that there are
17 grand jurors present and that the foreperson is present.
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. My name is
and I am an Assistant United States Attorney
here in the Southern District of New York.
Can everyone hear me okay? All right. I SP
everybody's heads nodding. Thank you.
I am here today to present for your consideration
a proposed superseding indictment charging Ghislaine Maxwell
in six counts. This indictment is virtually identical to
the indictment that you returned last week charging Maxwell
in those same six counts except that it corrects two
clerical errors, or two typographical errors that were
contained in Counts Five and Six which are the perjury
charges.
As a result, I will not be presenting any net,.
evidence or new witnesses today. Instead, I will identify
for you those two clerical errors in the indictment. I will
point out the portion of the exhibits that you saw last week
that provide the correct information. Then I will identify
the corrected portion of the superseding indictment in the
proposed superseding indictment.
Before I do that though, I must ask you all the
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same preliminary questions that we went over last week.
First, do any of you believe that you personally know or
have met the proposed defendant, Ghislaine Maxwell? I see
no hands.
Next, have you any heard or read about, or learned
anything Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein or anyone else
related to this case, if you could just raise your hand? I
see a number of hands. Virtually every hand is in the air.
You can all put your hands down. Thank you.
As you know, you must make your determination as a
grand jury based on the evidence presented before you in the
grand jury, in this room alone. Accordingly, you must set
aside any other knowledge you may have about this case or
the people involved in it, and base your decision solely on
the evidence presented to this grand jury to determine
whether there is probable cause to believe that the charges
in the proposed indictment were committed.
Is there any grand juror here today who cannot
follow these instructions? I see no hands. Just to be
sure, is there any grand juror here who would have any
difficulty setting aside the outside information you may
have about the defendant or the facts of this case? I see
no hands.
Finally, do any of you believe you know me in
anything other than my professional capacity? I see no
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hands.
Now, as I mentioned, I will not be calling any
witnesses today. Instead I will present you with the
exhibits from last week, the transcript of the testimony you
heard from last week and the proposed superseding
indictment. I will then walk you through the error that the
superseding indictment seeks to correct.
Please keep in mind though that what I say is not
evidence. Only the testimony of the witnesses and the
exhibits are evidence. So as I'm walking you through thesc-
exhibits, your understanding of them and your understanding
of the evidence controls. I am just trying to provide you
with an overview.
With that instruction in mind, I am going to put
up onto the Elmo what was previously received and marked as
Grand Jury Exhibit 1. That is the proposed six-count
indictment that you voted to return last week. A copy of it
will be available for review when you deliberate.
You also received what has been marked as Grand
Jury Exhibit 2, which I will not put up on the Elmo. That
was a PowerPoint presentation containing photographs and
excerpts of certain documents that was shown to you during
the testimony last week. You also heard testimony from FBI
Special Agent-
Today I am marking, as Grand Jury Exhibit 3,
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copy of the transcript of that testimony. It is up on tnr
Elmo now and it will be available for you to review if you
would like as you deliberate. I will not read it back to
you now, but you can read through it as you deliberate.
Finally, I am marking, as Grand Jury Exhibit 4,
the proposed superseding indictment, which I have now placed
up on the Elmo. As I mentioned, this proposed superseding
indictment corrects two clerical errors and is otherwise
identical to the original indictment, Grand Jury Exhibit 1.
I'm now going to walk you through the errors that
we're going to correct starting on Grand Jury Exhibit 1.
Page 15 contains the beginning of Count Five which charges
Maxwell with perjury. Paragraph 21 on that page refers to
the civil case in which Maxwell gave deposition testimony on
April 22nd, 2016, as 15 Civ. 7344. That is the error we are
going to correct.
Similarly, page 16 contains the beginning of Count
Six which charges another count of perjury. Paragraph 23 on
that page refers to the civil case in which Maxwell gave
deposition testimony on July 22nd, 2016, under the same
number, 15 Civ. 7344.
Turning now to Grand Jury Exhibit 2. Slide 22 of
that exhibit contains the first page of the deposition
transcript from the testimony that Maxwell gave on
April 22nd, 2016. As you can see here, the docket number
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for that case is in fact 15 Civ. 7433 not 7344.
Similarly, slide 25 contains the first page of the
transcript from the July 22nd, 2016 deposition that Maxwell
gave. As you can see here, again, the docket number for
that case is 15 Civ. 7433 not 7344.
Finally, I will turn to the proposed indictment,
Grand Jury Exhibit 4. On page 15, you have again the same
perjury count with one change. Paragraph 21 corrects the
docket number for the civil case to be 15 Civ. 7433.
Similarly, on page 16, which contains the second
perjury count for the July 22nd, 2016 deposition, the docket
number is corrected to 15 Civ. 7433. There are otherwise no
changes to the substance of this indictment.
That is my presentation. Before I leave you to
deliberate, would anyone like me to read the full proposed
superseding indictment out loud? I see no hands.
I must advise you that you must independently find
probable cause, again, for each count in the superseding
indictment. The evidence before you in support of the
charges in the superseding indictment is the same evidence
that was before you when you considered the indictment last
week.
Does anyone have any questions about that
evidence? I see no hands.
The legal instructions that you received before
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voting on the indictment last week are the same instructions
that apply to your consideration of the proposed superseding
indictment. Would anyone like me to read those instructions
out loud for you again? I see no hands.
Does anyone have any questions about the legal
instructions? I see no hands.
I will leave you now with the exhibits to
deliberate. As always, if you have any questions or
concerns about the proposed indictment, please let me kno.v,
before you vote so that I may answer any questions you may
have on the law, or bring any additional evidence before you
to consider. Thank you, all.
(Matter concluded)
(Time Noted: 10:14 a.m.)
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CERTIFICATE
I hereby certify that the foregoing is a true and
accurate transcription, to the best of my skill and ability,
from my electronic notes of this proceeding.
July 22, 2020
Date
Acting Grand Jury Reporter
Free State Reporting, Inc.
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