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Nardello Co. Nardello & Co. LLC 565 Fifth Avenue New York, NY lour T: F• www.nardelloandco.com PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT AND WORK PRODUCT COMMUNICATION MEMORANDUM To: Brad S. Karp, Esq. Lorin L. Reisner, Esq. Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP FROM: Nardello & Co. LLC RE: Draft Transcript of Meeting with DATE: August 24, 2015 Mira is a draft transcript of a recording of a conversation between John Doe (JD) and which took place on August 19, 2015 at The Modem restaurant, 9 W 53rd St, New York, New York 10019. The recording was made with the consent of JD. Notations of "UI" represent speech that was unintelligible during our initial review. The transcription is subject to revision. Counter No. Speaker Conversation 9:56 JD [Arrives at restaurant] 10:48 JD■ [Greetings and exchange of pleasantries; discussion of ■ hair color; discussion of other clientele; discussion of menu. 15:10 JD [JD discusses weekend visit with his family and his sister's illness; he discusses his melanoma foundation; They discuss melanoma and causes of cancer] 19:13 JD How about you? How's life at the Gansevoort? la Um, well, I went upstate with some Russian people. It was nice. JD Upstate New York? ill Yeah. Urn, so we spend time there. And then I have a girlfriend she says, "come to my place." She rents her place on Airbnb. On the lower east side. So I pack my stuff and I went to her place and there was no A/C. JD These last few days...no a/c? -. So I couldn't stay there. So I went to...I try Rivington hotel for a night. Now I'm at Bowery. JD You're doing what I did that summer — you're trying all these different places. So what's your favorite? I don't mind Bowery actually. But it's a four star hotel, you know JD It's one of those urn... kinds ones that Ian Schrager did, like the Mondrian or the Delano or something like that It's like (UI) EFTA01190807 PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT AND/OR WORK PRODUCT COMMUNICATION Nardello .Co. JD It's more than a boutique It's star studded. Yeah it's a boutique. I hear it's really popular among celebrities JD You'll fit ri t in. Lau hter It's cozy you know. It has a good vibe which is nice. I don't know. Where was your favorite hotel? JD I like the suites at the Waldorf ... JD [JD discusses various hotels he has stayed at and which he likes) 21:58 ■ When I went to Rivington, I walked in and I saw my girlfriend, she works there. She works with clients. JD The Irvington? • The Rivington JD I don't know it. Downtown? ■ It's downtown. On the lower east side. And she gave me a very, very good price for a suite. It was like on the top floor. Practically the whole floor, glass instead of (UI). And on 171° floor, so I can see the whole of Manhattan... JD So why did you move? You found it. I had a reservation at the Bowery the next day. And ah, it was nice. At night you can see the whole city. I think it's one of the things in New York you can enjoy if you have a nice view at night. Which I never (UI). It's nice. It's very peaceful. At the hotel (UI) 23:05 JD When did you decide to darken? ■ I went today and I said, you know, because I've been in the sun so long they were getting lighter and I was like, can you add something to make it a little darker. I guess my hair is so dry from being in the sun it just absorbed really fast. But it's not the color. It's going to wash out JD I remember when you went blond too. Which was dramatic also. But, ah, I think your natural brown is actually the nicest. I My natural is the best. I don't want to (UI) anymore JD I agree. I always felt that. • (UI) It makes it worse (UI) 23:51 JD It's nice to see you. I didn't feel great about our last lunch. Um, I haven't felt great about the whole process over the last couple of months. Um...You're someone that I cared about and I still care about. Um, so I never quite understood why you just didn't come to me and say you wanted some help. As opposed to threats and so forth. Um, but I felt bad also last meeting...One, I think I did most of the talking. So I thought I should listen more. Um...what's kind of come through...um...I don't know if you remember the history...of course you do. You know what M.A.D is? M.A.D? What's that? JD So, when the Soviet Union and the US both developed nuclear wea ons...atomic wea ns...ah... 25:15 [Waiter interrupts) 25:31 JD So they both convinced each other that they could hurt each other. Um, and, they both got to a point of M.A.D. Which was Mutually Assured Destruction DRAFT: FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY 2 EFTA01190808 PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT AND/OR WORK PRODUCT COMMUNICATION Nardello Co. Mutually? JD Assured Destruction. OK [Both chuckle] JD And... I was joking to someone that I was in the middle of World War 4 right now JD And they got to that point and kind of said, ok, we now know we can both destroy each. Let's see if there are rational, reasonable ways that we can coexist um...and get a lot of what we both need. And so, you know, I think we're at the point...we know that you can hurt me. You can hurt my family. You can hurt (UI). Um, you know, I can live through if I have to. But I'd rather not go that route. But I think you know, um, you can end up with nothing or worse. Um, and obviously that's your decision to take. But, there's no question we can hurt each other. As with the Soviet Union and the US, I hope we come to the conclusion that those aren't sensible pathways. Um...and that we've gotta find ways that we both can have some of what we need. And, peacefully coexist. So that was what I hoped we could work on. Um, even if it takes a little time. Um, I mean, you have the ability to pull the trigger any time you want. Whether it's today, next month, the month after, but I think it's worth both our whiles to try to reach a better place. So, you know, one of things I wanted to try to do as I said, I did a lot of the talking, I'd like to hear more. I mean, to me, the number you threw out - $100 million — didn't make much sense. In terms of me. It's a number. It's a nice get rich quick um, number but in terms of security and comfort over a long period, urn, I'm not sure why that's a relevant number. So I'd like to understand more from you what your needs really are and how can I be helpful in fulfilling them. /9: 11 I think I kind of made it very clear that I'm very, very upset emotionally, you know, that our relationship didn't work. I don't know um, (UI) I really (UI). It feels to me that I will never be able to trust anybody because I was young and, you were married. I knew it wasn't going to go anywhere. I think we spoke about it. It's a problem. It's really, really a problem. And ah, urn...(long pause)... Um, also I made it kind of clear that urn, I think some people who know about our relationship and it affects me and my son and I'm not very confident that I can have the same career opportunities as I had before I met you. Um, and even though I'm really, really upset, I don't want to fight with you. I don't want to hurt. I don't want to do anything you know, that's not good for you also. (UI) 3 1. 16 JD So, again, what are your needs that I can be helpful with? Like, I really tried when I kind of came up with my last proposal. I tried to give a long term period with (UI) for most people a million dollars a year after tax generally takes care of being able to live comfortably, and have a sense of security and I wanted to try and help you with your visa too. So certainly, it was on my part it was a good faith attempt to address some of the needs you outlined and especially um, in terms of you and living comfortably P:30 la This is kind of the issue we have, right? I want to feel financially stable you know because I have a lot of other issues. DRAFT: FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY 3 EFTA01190809 PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT AND/OR WORK PRODUCT COMMUNICATION Nardello ,Co. 32:41 Waiter interru is 32:54 Um, I have a lot of issues. And, urn, somehow (UI) making me financially stable would be a good thing to do. Urn.... JD What kind of issues? ■ I mean....My reputation. My, you know, my emotional well bring. Maybe I'm getting paranoid sometimes, I don't know. Urn, I have to figure out what I want to do, how I want to pursue it. You know, I have to make sure my son studies well and feels comfortable. [Long pause in conversation] 34:10 I mean, this last year has been a disaster. You know, me going from one place to another. Ruining everything and starting from (UI). It's just terrible. 34:21 JD Why? I mean again, it should have...I would have thought it would have shown you that I care about you when, a year ago, when you had to leave, I said "I'm sorry you have to leave, I'm going to give you a million dollars to get settled" and you hadn't even asked me for anything at that time and it was a lot more than (UI) had ever done before but I felt bad that you had to leave frankly. And you settling down in a new place and having a good sense of (UT) urn, so you knew you were getting a million and I gave you half a million when you left and then there were three payments after that the rest of the year. Why didn't you rent a place in Moscow when you moved to Moscow? I was a little surprised the last time we got together when you compared yourself to Nicolas Baku and that you were living out of hotels for the whole year. Why? 35:50 ■ I rented a place in Moscow. And, then I started having problems in my school and my son had problems in his school. And, I think it's all related to my relationships. And, I was running away from issues in New York that I had here. And urn, I find the same thing and...When I was moving to London I already knew that I can't escape it, this is gonna probably (UI). When I was living in NY I sort of thought it would stop but it didn't (UI). 36:37 JD Again, see I find this, and I'm not even not (UI). Number one, I've always cared about you. You're someone that I liked, I cared about, you're beautiful, you're smart. I respected you. MI But why... JD I mean, you really should know I've never badmouthed you to anybody. I would never do that. a But... JD And, and I've never talked to anyone about you. ill But were you aware that this is happening. That my son and me were getting attacked? JD No, I was not aware of that. No. I was not aware of that. 38:00 [Long pause] 38:08 JD If you were attacked, I am sorry, but I don't think that had much to do with me. But it doesn't mean I don't care about you and want you to be secure and comfortable. [Pause] ■ I am really scared um, because I really don't understand who has been doing, but I have a sick feeling about you. I don't understand who needs it, DRAFT: FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY 4 EFTA01190810 PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT AND/OR WORK PRODUCT COMMUNICATION Nardello .Co. why do you need to do that, I really don't understand. And that's why I left New York, I was ready to (U/I) 39:08 JD I mean what I remember is-- Yeah-- JD --is ou tellin • me ou had a visa roblem and that ou had to leave. Yeah, because I thou ht ma be U -- JD I never heard you were bein attacked-- No, no, also you know maybe I thought it's you who was sick of me and I thought maybe, you know, I thought maybe if you would care about me, you'd find a job, you would help me with visa, I thought you were aware of this issue, you know, I thought if you care about me, you would make my life more comfortable, um, um, so. 39:46 JD I thought you had just graduated from Columbia. You were looking for a job. I knew banking at Goldman would be tough, but I tried. Um, but one of the things, you don't have a lot of patience. Um, you have a wonderful-- many wonderful qualities (laughs), but patience isn't one of them. I mean people go for jobs. They get rejected all the time-- No, I know-- JD I mean I see it, I see it with my kids getting rejected. I see it with all of the their friends ettin_• re'ected ... No but 1-- 40:29 JD ...and therefore, when they get rejected, they pick up and try again, and try another place, and try another place. Job hunting is not the easiest thing. I tried to explain to you that banking, especially at Goldman, was hard, but that I wanted to try because there were some people I knew, but if not there, then were other places we could try, if you wanted finance. If you didn't want finance, then there was marketing positions. You could always do something, as I said, in art, in the art world, so to me, Goldman was...yeah, made for you, you go to bat, sometimes you strike out, then you go to bat and you hit a home run. 41: IS E For me, it was very confusing the way our relationship suddenly...you know, it was very confusing. Basically, I had a lot of feelings for you, but I felt like I could not express it, I could not expect anything because I expect you to take care of me but you're not my husband. It was tough. And you know, when you have Mort making fun of you, and telling you that you have to sleep with him otherwise he's going to fire you from his job and other people... JD I had nothing to do with Mort... E ...I know, I know...but it was tough, it was really tough. You know, the day I was leaving, someone put a German newspaper in front of my door, then the woman came knocking at my door, saying "sorry for your loss, can you please give me money?" It was insane. JD I don't understand. ■ I don't understand either. You know, I don't know why, I don't understand why someone would try to poison me, you know... JD I'm sorry if I didn't take that seriously. I thought you were being dramatic. I don't know why someone would try to poison you.... DRAFT: FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY 5 EFTA01190811 PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT AND/OR WORK PRODUCT COMMUNICATION Nardello Co. I know, I don't understand... JD ...I thought maybe you had too much to drink, or maybe someone slipped somethin in our drink, that's ssible. I was sick for two weeks. I was (U/I) for two weeks. I mean, it was this, like, Lewis Tappinger or Taschinger, something like that, Alexander von Furstenberg made fun of me, basically everyone in the society was making fun of me. I don't know, maybe they're friends of your wife? JD These aren't friends of my wife. We're not friends with Alex von Furstenberg. --. I don't know, I don't know. 43:15 JD [laughs] These aren't people I mix with or she mixes with. [Pause] But I have never talked about you to anybody. I thought this was our private relationshi in that we cared about each other, I tried to be su ortive. Maybe people just knew I was a little bit paranoid so they wanted to make me feel uncomfortable. I don't know. [JD praises the bread] 44:06 I think when I was poisoned I wasn't right at the job interview, during the job interview. JD Which job interview? ■ The one guy who works in the finance company we met to talk about my possibilities for me to work because I stopped going out, I stopped going out because I didn't want these thing (U/I). Like even when I went for job interviews or to pick up my son, these things were happening, when people were making fun of me. JD You went out sometimes. You reminded me when you told me about Len, about the rabbi's sons, you mentioned that you met a nice guy who was a rabbi's son, or something like that. No? 44:50 I don't know anyone. Maybe people want to find out what kind of a relationship we had, maybe they make jokes to see how I'm going to react, but I am just sick and tired of it, you know? J D As far as I knew, Len or Mort knew nothing about you and I. Anyhow, I'm sorry you've gone through that. It wasn't my intent or even that said, why would I even, I care about you, supporting you, why would I want you to be badmouthed? And I enuinel didn't want ou to leave. Ok JD But what is it that you need to live off? la Huh? JD What is it that you need to live off? I mean, if you were to live in London, what is the cost there? [pause] What is the cost for to go to a good private school? 47:34 I How about this? You remember your last proposal? JD No... You said you want to help me with investor's visa, right? JD Yep. al How about instead of an investor's visa, we'll make a passport. JD Right... al ...Which is ten million. DRAFT: FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY 6 EFTA01190812 PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT AND/OR WORK PRODUCT COMMUNICATION Nardello Co. JD Alri ht. So that gives me something to do. I will be investing. That will be my job, I will take care of that money, will try to make it bigger. JD Alri ht. Also, you promised me always to take care of me financially but now you want it in twelve years, which is ok, but instead of one million, it would be two million a year. JD Again, I'm not saying "yes, no, maybe" or anything yet, I'm more again just trying to understand your needs. So basically you're saying to me you'd like the securi of a ass ort. 49:07 I want financial security for the rest of my life. I don't want to have to worry about money ever again, that's what I want, in general. I don't want to worry about money ever again, that's it. JD To not worry about money, on a yearly basis, do you know what you need? Urn, I will easily spend a million JD [laughing] On what? Clothes, vacation? Schools, etc. And I think... JD ...And I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just trying to understand. 50:07 JD If you had the visa money, the passport money, where you have to invest ten million, then why would you need the extra million for investment? You're alread investin . Wouldn't that be du licative? You have a passport separately JD But it gets invested. You don't just buy the passport, you put it into British securities ■ Well, who knows what happens then? You're investing in British bonds that don't bring much. JD You know, it could be in bonds, it could be partly in bonds, it could be partly in stock. It could appreciate, it could go down... a It could go down...it could go up, but if it goes down, then I have to have money to top it up. If it goes down I have to keep the same level. 51:/1 JD I haven't studied this, but at the beginning of the summer I looked into a little bit and I don't remember it totally, but I remember that there were definite...ways of getting a visa: five years temporary with two million pounds invested in British securities, then... I Three years... JD Then you could do something else...three years with a two year renewal, if I remember... --. Yeah, if you maintain, or something... JD Then, there was something for five million and something for ten, but I forget what those were. You know. --. Probably ten. It's an expedited way of getting a passport — you invest five million dollars to get a passport in three years, and ten to get it in two. But what I think will be possible, from this ten, for less than half, you can buy a house, or a home. You don't have to put all of it in... JD You mean you can't do that with five? It has to be ten? I mean, I don't know. It's all news to me. I'm just curious. (coughs] You ok? DRAFT: FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY 7 EFTA01190813 PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT AND/OR WORK PRODUCT COMMUNICATION Nardello Co. JD Yeah, I'm fine. I'm not sick sick, I'm just getting rid of the cough. Between you and my sister, I'm not sleeping enough. -. Of course, there could be difficulties, I don't know. But I think in that case I think it will be fine. If I will work hard, I will be serious, I don't need to prove anything to anybody, I don't need to listen to anybody (U/I). I just want to be able to work and.. waiter interru ts, talks to JD 54:29 I just feel like I miss the high plan of everybody young and you know, I have little patience for people who are stupid, so I think used to be extremely brilliant businessman of the world like you. JD Not the grand old age I was! I still wanna make sure in terms of doing things that are interesting and fun. ■ I just want to make sure that my son doesn't suffer anymore and I feel comfortable and safe and I owe him. I will never find anybody like you. JD They're probably better I swear to myself that I will never touch any man every again. JD Yeah...I always thought you had an abusive relationship from what you described with your ex. I don't know whether I buy into your view of man or not giving me the benefit of the doubt, even though I think I was always gracious (U/I) 55:58 ■ Well, of course, you have this thing where I think it's important for me that you want (U/I). I don't want to be angry and upset, you know? JD Uh-huh. Your experience at Columbia. That was pretty straightforward, wasn't it? In terms of studies... Well, everything was great, they wanted me to get a PhD and then again, the news broke, they started treating me differently, the last semester, the last two semesters... JD You never told me that... -. I never told you? I remember we came to the museum here and we were looking at modals and this arts teacher, she was making jokes, she was being really harsh JD Who? An arts teacher. Arts class. I took art class. JD At MoMA? ■ At Columbia, I took art class and we came to (UK) and there were lilies, you know, who did them... JD The Monet? The Waterlilies. ■ And she says, "look at the lilies and tell me what you think about it?" And I said, "well, it's so, it's done in a way where I think I could do it." And the teacher says, "no, you can't" and everybody started laughing. JD [laughs] Ok. Well, now are you projecting, that's a little bit of paranoia! [both laugh] I don't know, no? JD .. My kids always tell me that about Mondrian. You know, it's just geometric verticals and horizontals..."I could do that!" [laughs]. Or Malevich, with the Black Circle... ...the Black Square is more... JD Or the Black Square...Um. DRAFT: FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY 8 EFTA01190814 PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT AND/OR WORK PRODUCT COMMUNICATION Nardello Co. [conversation inaudible for next 20 secs] 59:14 -. (UI) terrible. I just — I want to make sure, you like when I was in London and again like, people in the gym, and this and that, you know, I was like, I can't... JD What do you mean, "gym"? You know, like (UI) JD You mean an exercise gym? ■ Yeah. And um I am very strong, (UI) I feel like I cannot be a good mother, I cannot take care of you... JD Mmhm Um. And urn. I must live, I must live a little (UI) I do something (UI) 01:00:21 JD I would like very much for you to feel secure. What kind of work would you like to do? Investing business, no? Invest money. I would take care of it. Um. I'm not going to do anything dramatic and crazy right away because I have to move first. Maybe I'll find a job in the finance industry or I'll go work by myself, we'll see. But I've been learning about (UI) companies a little bit (UI). I don't know. And I'm sure... 01:01:22 JD So, let me — playing devil's advocate a little bit — just so I have — because I want to think this all out Yeah. JD And I want us to get to a place where - Yeah. 01:01:32 JD So ou et a bunch of mone u front... Mmhm JD ...An investment Mmhm JD And ou lose all of it... We've been through this. I spend half and with the other half little by little... JD What happens when you lose that? I'm playing devil's advocate, just thinking it out with you. How do we both get — I mean, we both — you have need, I have needs... --. Yeah 01:02:07 JD ...How do I get a sense of comfort — and the worst thing by the way (UI) investing is that somebody feels, "Well heads I win, tails you lose." And what I mean by that is there has to be UI. And if you feel, Okay, I can go for that, it has a big upside, and then you lose the money because you feel you can come back and say you need more, that's an impossible position for me I think I — art of the mone I have to allow to invest b someone else JD How do I get a sense that you are secure and comfortable but that there's finality? And that — you're coming back a few years from now and saying, "Oh I reall wanted that UI but I lost the mone , I need more." I don't know how — how to (UI) 1:03:47 JD I think — as I said — mutually we have need to have both our needs satisfied to a certain degree. DRAFT: FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY 9 EFTA01190815 PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT AND/OR WORK PRODUCT COMMUNICATION Nardello Co. Do you want — do you need like a written (UI) JD I don't know. I don't have an answer right now but it's something I think — I just need to think about. Urn. Because you want certain security and assurances and I want certain security and assurances. Um. And that's how we co-exist peacefully. Urn. And I don't care to comment more. Um...So, I want to *ust-- Yeah JD Think through everything. I'm trying to listen to everything you're saying because I think that ou should be listened to. 01:04:43 Well I mean, I'm at the point where I don't live in New York, we don't see each other, so there should be some kind of separate arrangement. I mean, I mean, I can promise that you know if you agree to these terms I will not ask for more. Um, I think...How do I know that you will keep your words? You canpromise me ten billion dollars in ten ears - JD Right You know what I mean? How do I know that... 01:05:23 JD Well certainly the up-front — the up-front payment whatever it is if that's the way we go — Yeah, eah JD That you have. Okay. So that there's no question about and then the rest would have to be some type of a Trust. There could even be two meanings to the word "trust" Uh-huh JD One, you could mist me. And two we could set up some kind of a special Trust. Urn. I don't know, that's something lawyers can work — Yeah JD can work through so that you know you're still provided for if I get hit by a truck tomorrow Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's good. 01:06:02 JD Um. So. I mean, I think that can be probably worked through it may take a little time to get it right but I think that's important for you as part of your sense of securi . Urn. Mmhm JD But all I'm saying the security has to work both ways — Definitely, yeah, mmhm. And I'm sure I'll, if you allow me, I'll come back to you for advice JD Mmhm ■ On how to manage and take care of it better the next time. There's probably no one better than you. You know... 01:06:43 JD Do you have lawyers involved at this point? ■ Um, a friend of mine drove me somewhere yesterday, I don't even like the friend of mine and I don't know, he wanted to go and meet with you and talk to you outside. I do not feel comfortable, And I haven't said any numbers. I haven't said. Just general picture. I think it's dangerous for me to meet with you. It could be seen as a blackmail case. JD Minim You know DRAFT: FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY 10 EFTA01190816 PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT AND/OR WORK PRODUCT COMMUNICATION Nardello .Co. 01:07:17 JD Yea. I think we know each other well enough. Urn. But I mean I don't want to go down those paths. Yeah, yeah 01:07:30 JD Um. And I said, you know, a lawyer — well, it's up to you obviously You think I should get lawyer? JD I think on the one hand there are lawyers who would want to take a big part of the payment. Um. If we work something out. So I think you have to — Look — JD -11 Be careful about that. No — honestly — JD On the other hand, having you know a lawyer, if we're getting to something where a Trust is set up and, you know, something needs to be documented you probably should have you know a lawyer or some type of representation. I don't know. I think it's still early I think we should probably, I think the best thing for you would be if we could work out some type of an arrangement. And when you bring somebody in to get a document or work through so you feel that you're not getting screwed and. Um. And — and — but I think the danger of having one too early is they try to grab on to, you know — 7 Yeah JD A significant piece, which makes no sense for you al I - I mean. I mean. Um. I trust you JD Mmhm ■ I hope you trust me too and I hope you trust me too that I'm serious. I don't want to squander it and then come back again JD Mmhm Urn. !just want to, you know. I'm very serious. Um. And I mean — I think — I think right now I think (UI). So how do you want to proceed with this? Do you have a, what do you think? 01:09:16 JD I know you're impatient. Urn. I also know it's within your — your capability, if you want to pull a trigger, you can be hurtful. Um. So, I don't think it takes anything away from you to — for us to take a little bit of time to work this out and — but I want to say in good faith. Urn. I mean, this could take a few months to work out to both our satisfaction. Um. I want to be totally honest with you. Urn. I think my sister's going to die in the next three or four weeks. As important as you are that is really weighing on me significantly. I'm supposed to go away with my kids next week, I may cut that short and just do it for a half week because of my sister. Urn. I want to think about this visa passport, I want to look into it more. Urn. And so in good faith I would tell you that you know, the next few months that I'd still be happy to write you a check for a hundred thousand a month as I've done the last few months in good faith so that you know I'm serious. And I want to work something out with you.That meets a bunch of your needs and I feel protected. Urn. And. You know, I think that we both have the same goals, hopefully we'll find, um, a meeting of the minds as to the numbers, DRAFT: FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY I 1 EFTA01190817 PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT AND/OR WORK PRODUCT COMMUNICATION Nardello .Co. but I also want to see if there are some smart ways to work through the visa, work through the passport, the numbers, the investments. Um. I just think that would be good for both of us. I'm not trying to put this off in any way but I am trying to be realistic Um. I You know I can meet you in Europe too so that — No, but — ou understand — JD If you have a problem coming here — You understand that-- JD I'm "ust sa in: ou're dead serious about this Mmhm. I am serious. I'm serious and I understand it could take couple of months. Um. (UI — something in Russian?) Okay, it's fine. Um. You also have to understand that because we couldn't make decision during the summer and I was hoping to get (UI) visa to go to London. Um. My son is practically missing another school year. JD Mmhm And I'm willing to do these sacrifices 01:12:29 JD Alri : ht (UI) (So I was hoping sooner?) JD So you're going to have him home-schooled in Moscow? a Tardarsna JD There are no public schools? Or are you saying The language is the issue? Uh huh JD So he doesn't speak Russian? How is he doing? Is he with his grandparents? 01:13:13 • Yeah. Yeah. Um. (UI) JD I want to work this out in a way that's good for both of us What are your concerned about right now? JD One, I want to do it smart, I want to think about the numbers. And I want to think about investing and check out the visa and passport issue. I want to see how to best both provide for you and (UI your son?) you (IU he does need a?) future. I think it just needs some time. But the objective is to have you be secure and (UI) 01:14:18 .1 I mean, if — you know, there is passport for London where I could go with my son. Urn. Then there is also. Um. We can invest something here JD Mmhm In the US, Maybe where I will be getting something. You know? In my name. JD Mmhm JD Something also to (UI) 01:14:53 1. I don't know the situation really how it works in London. I mean, it's strange. Do you think it's probably the same if you invest there and here or here it's much better? JD I think it depends on what you want to — I — I think you can invest there III Yeah JD My guess is to get a UK — to get a UK visa or passport they want you investing in the UK DRAFT: FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY 12 EFTA01190818 PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT AND/OR WORK PRODUCT COMMUNICATION Nardello Co. Yeah, yeah, yeah JD That would be my guess Yeah, yeah JD But I - I don't know the rules. But I would assume that then the question is well, we'll figure it out JD? (talking with waiter) 01:16:03 JD When are you thinking about going back? Where? JD I assume to Russia, if that's where is JD Or London or wherever? il Um I don't know. It's very difficult and draining right now. I don't know what to tell him because I don't know what (UI), you know, what's going on, what's going to happen. JD But if I may ask, what happened to the million dollars that I gave you last year? Going from one place to another it's not easy. I rented nice apartments JD Elm? I rented nice apartments. (UI) 01:17:56 JD I mean, you tried to put him in an English-speaking school in Russia? And what ha ed? I told you JD You tell me but I don't understand it One father — JD You said some Saudi — ■ Saudi. Started bullying my son and telling him that his daughter was killing herself because of him JD So he was enrolled in the school? • Mmhm JD And a friend of the daughter? Yeah JD And the father said the daughter was in love with him? 01:18:37 ■ The daughter was, like, crying all the time and then she was saying that she loves him, that she doesn't love him, and this and that, she wants to do this and that. And then at some point the father started calling my son and saying that she almost died because of him JD This was in the fall of last year? 01:19:04 a Yeah. She was trying to kill herself. She cut her arms. She had to go to the hospital and he had to talk to her, and she was in love and it's not her fault And they're both 12 years old? The father? lau hs) J■D No, no, no. and the girl Yeah JD Alright 01:19:26 ■ Um. And I mean — I thought that the teachers were also, kind of, treated me strangely. And then when I went to principal she said that he's a Saudi diplomat and he's friends with Americans and if you can make report to the DRAFT: FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY 13 EFTA01190819 PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT AND/OR WORK PRODUCT COMMUNICATION Nardello .Co. United States then you cannot make report with Russia. And then they told my son that it's not true that she was trying to kill herself and that I don't need to gossip about it JD You what? And we don't need to gossip about it JD What does that mean? I don't know. I mean basically they decided to tell my son that a girl was killing herself because of him. She was in love but she cannot run? (UI) JD And so this is ou withdrew him from the school? 01:20:33 I withdrew him because the girl — the girl - JD Because of that? ■ Yeah. Yeah. I just — I'm not sure what it was all about and I don't understand why parents they think it's okay to do that to other children JD Crazy store 01:21:07 IN It is crazy. It's insane. But it wasn't less insane in my school. I went to an exam and they tortured me for six hours how come I don't understand what coalition means JD Coalition? ■ Yeah. And I gave them six different definitions from six books. They said no, you don't understand what coalition means JD And this was for what course? -II For my math exam JD This was for math? I Math exam. Six hours. 01:21:36 JD In school in Moscow? In school. I don't know - JD This was for what type of a degree were you doing this? a Graduate degree JD For a graduate degree al Yeah 01:21:45 JD So they accepted your degree from Columbia III Mmhm JD and you are now taking a graduate degree and - I was but I was tortured JD Over the definition of coalition? 01:22:07 JD And this is after how many months - how many months had you been in school then? After like five, six months. And then there were other inappropriate remarks and jokes towards me JD Like what? 01:22:26 ■ Um. Like I come to class, the guy sees me and he starts saying — he starts talking about Milken and looks at me (laughs), says Milken, like, had a lot of students, blah, blah, blab(UI) JD Milken had students? I think they were referring to (UI)you?, I don't know. JD I didn't have students nor did Milken DRAFT: FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY 14 EFTA01190820 PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT AND/OR WORK PRODUCT COMMUNICATION Nardello .Co. Urn. I like, I don't know, some kind of questioning, Endless questioning. It is upsetting me because first of all people don't know what type of relationship we had and they accuse me of all kinds of, you know, things that — and they assume all kinds of reasons why I was with you. Nobody knows, but they (UI own theses?). And everybody thinks that it's their responsibility to tell it to me and it's pretty hurtful. You know? For me it wasn't a game, to be with you; for me it was very real JD I mean — again, I don't disbelieve it — it happened, it happened but, you know, I've never heard anybody say anything about us being together Because nobody's going to tell you anything. You are a man in power J■D Why in Russia would they bring that up? I don't know JD It's not as if people don't have relationships. It's not the most unusual rare thing in the world ■ New York is small and — JD New York's not small — and in Moscow it's even... J■D It was good. I can't even think about it, it hurts me so much. Hurts me so much. I really don't know how to get out of it 01:25:19 JD Well it sounds like London's the place you want to live ■ I mean, my choice — I would prefer (UI) back to you whether we are together or not. I don't know what's going to be the school situation with my son. I mean, I'm sick and tired of (UI) my life and making sacrifices. (UI) [I'm not going to?] go live somewhere in the Village and hide JD The Village is the most desirable place in New York. Chelsea, The Village and TriBeca are actually more expensive than Midtown, East Side, Upper East Side I think that for my son it would be good to experience another culture. Maybe (UI) [September?) For me (UI) would be easier, I mean England is a sophisticated place, it's not like Moscow. I mean business-wise and work- wise it's (UI) JD And — and - have you ever thought — I thought you mentioned, or maybe not — about him going to a boarding school — or not? Well. We — I — I applied to one boarding school, Le Rosey J■D Le Rosey? Yeah JD In Switzerland? 01:27:20 U Yeah. Um. Again I had the sense that they knew about us JD No, (UI) Um... Look. I'm not — I'm not even going to (UI) 01:27:55 ' They basically when I sent them (UI) with my son's grades, and I was in (UI) Chevalier at the time, (UI) go downstairs, the guy's waiting (UI), waiting (UI) downstairs JD Alright 01:27:52 • Um. And um. We met a couple of times and he kind of (UI) DRAFT: FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY 15 EFTA01190821 PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT AND/OR WORK PRODUCT COMMUNICATION Nardello Co. J■D Okay. Alright And I didn't do it JD Oka Um. But then he said you can apply next year if you really want to... JD How big a bribe? in I didn't ask JD (laughs) 1. (laughs) I should have asked JD Maybe that's the way it works though, I don't know Yeah. Maybe I should (UI) JD Maybe that's the way it works Yeah JD Remember when we couldn't get our rooms (UI [both laugh] JD (UI) unfortunately. So yeah. I don't know How was it? JD (UI) (UI) JD You were always such a good mind-reader 01:29:21 JD That was a joke I didn't (UI) JD Always (UI). In terms of you and your brain 01:29:51 ■ You have to understand (UI). Spend it I have to take care of me and my son and (UI). I would love to just be here and wait for you coming from work, your family, etc., but you know, even if we didn't see each other - look, I just want to feel comfortable. 1:30:43 JD I will be in London two days in mid-September. I have an a artment there so ma be we decide what we are doin with that. JD Are ou not allowed to o there? I am allowed. I am a in 10,000 r month. JD Ok Ok [laughing] so I guess I'm keeping it, right? Or No? No? [pause] 1:31:09 ■ I guess, at some point I have to go there to maybe pay some bills and make sure, everything. JD Yeah, I'll be in London I think the 15th and 16th --. Of September? JD Of September. il. So what's the plan? Do you maybe...? 1:31:36 JD Well, let me try to think through some of this and get some expert advice on how to craft and things. As I said, I'm away for most of next week and then the last week. Labor Day is late, so the first week of September may not be the best in terms of getting advisors, everybody's gone. In Europe, everyone takes off the whole month of August. 1:32:10 So... .1. JD Here everybody takes off the week before Labor Day. So two - three weeks is... DRAFT: FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY 16 EFTA01190822 PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT AND/OR WORK PRODUCT COMMUNICATION Nardello Co. JD So hopefully maybe by mid-September we can make some progress. 1:32:25 -. I guess we're not even going to be before that right? JD If I'm not here and I don't have advisors or an hin . So maybe I should just go to Russia, right? JD And then maybe we could meet in London if you want in mid-September? Or meet back here sometime in [UI]. To see if we can come to something. [talking to waiter??] JD Dessert? Yes? No? 1:33:05 We don't have to if you don't want to. JD Well, 'cause it's better than the last thing. a Ok. What do you mean expert advice? 1:33:20 JD Structuring a trust that gives you, you know, security, if I die. Uh huh. JD Um, I also want to figure out how to, if we're going to put some money — I don't know if I'm there yet or not — on what you're suggesting. I want to think about it and how that could be invested. Um, I also want to see differences on visas. Um... 1:33:51 ■ Why can't we just like take, let's say, for example, 100 million. And put it, right, somewhere. And then I will take a percent and then live out of that. And then when you die, then I do whatever I want. JD I think that's what you originally proposed [laughs]. Look, well number one, I don't have 100 million. Number two, I'm not paying a $50 million gift tax. Number three, uh, I don't know how one could ever explain numbers like that to a bank. Um... 1:34:30 But you love me, you love me. JD Number four, You love me. JD I don't think... What... JD ...the need and the merit is there. Number five, as I said, I'm used to investing at 15, 20, 25 percent a year, not at 2 and half percent a year. Urn, so there are a whole bunch of reasons. And a hundred is not... l:34:56 a I mean it could be like 70 or something. I mean I don't know what's the, you know how, where we're going to agree but, uh, but then we need to get visa separately too, right? JD Umhm. ■ And the trust, how do you usually work it? Trusts, that's how they work? You put money somewhere and then you get something... JD Well I'm not a lawyer. -. Ok JD So I want to talk to someone to see what we can put together. [to waiter] Thanks. 1:35:33 JD I mean I thought what I proposed, which was $15 million, a million a year and five years of the visa, gave you a lot of security and comfort. Um, I think it was serious, recognizing that I want you to be taken care of with Um, I want to try to make adjustments to try to have you have more satisfaction, um, and more security and comfort, so. And as I said, I will DRAFT: FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY 17 EFTA01190823 PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT AND/OR WORK PRODUCT COMMUNICATION Nardello Co. write $100,000 a month so that, um, you know. And you know you always have the possibility of going to work. I think that would be silly for both of us. But, um, you do. 1:36:32 No, I think we should, if you want to even talk about it (UI). If it's no good for you then it's no good for me. No? Huh? Yes? J D No it's not. So the plan is, we're going to meet in a couple of weeks. You give me the papers. 1:37:01 JD Probably three or four weeks. Three or four weeks. You will get the paperwork. JD Well, I will certainly have the structure that I can go through, a structure and a proposal to see what we can do. Look I don't want to feel extorted, but I do want to give you security. So. [pause, talking about dessert] 1:37:43 What have you tried here? JD [exhaling] What have I tried here. Sweet warm custard, warm caramel financier. [laughing] 1:38:03 Actually that sounds good. I'll have that. JD Alright. Root beer ice cream... [pause] I :38:37 JD So you said a friend brought you to a lawyer. So you've talked to a friend about this at this point? I didn't say everything, I just, was like a general (UI). Look I'm sure, if I mentioned your name there could be a lot of lawyers, a lot of friends who would try to help me, you know. JD Mmhm. 1:39:02 ■ Urn, I don't want to go that road. Um, I think, if number-wise it would make sense, I can trust you. You know what I mean? JD Mmhm. I really don't want to talk about it. And even like, when we are going to come up with something, I really want to keep it out of anybody's, you know, I don't want to tell anybody anything about it. And that's why it is important for me just to work and to be safe. You know? Then I don't, I'm not dependent on anyone, etc. I'm not, you know, even my mother doesn't know. [laughing] 1:39:48 JD [laughs] Especially your mother. [laughing] ■ So it's for me it's kind of, you know, I have to keep everyone in the dark but also... [to waitress, ordering dessert] JD So we're getting a financier [waitress] Yes JD And how is the bavarois? [waitress] Delightful. Bavarian custard, vanilla custard. JD Alright. DRAFT: FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY IS EFTA01190824 PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT AND/OR WORK PRODUCT COMMUNICATION Nardello Co. And one cappuccino please. [waitress] One ca uccino. JD Two [waitress] Two cappuccinos. JD Ok. --. You haven't had lunch? JD No (UI) back to the office. [pause] 1:40:45 What's going on with you? Otherwise? JD Unun...it's alright, like I said it's been a tough six months, health-wise, with various members of the family. Urn, the kids are all pretty good, which is nice. And, business is ok, I wouldn't say it's great, it's not terrible. al Mmhm. JD And, I mean, um, the big question mark out there is what's happening to China these days. Mmhm. 1:41:24 JD Nobody is quite sure what the real facts are, as opposed to the fabricated ones. Everybody keeps talking, sudden degrade, versus x percent versus five percent growth. Mmhm. JD Um, but it could be much worse. So much of it is mismanaged. It's going to affect the commodities market, even industrial orders. Um, there's a lot of nervousness about that. Now, it doesn't affect our business too much except for natural resources you can see wild swings, a huge volatility in oil prices and a lot of it has to do with China demand. Yeah. JD So. 1:42:16 • And oil is what now, like 45? JD Yeah. You see, when you said 60 or more, you were way off. 45 is not close to 60. [laughs] It was for a while 60. [laughing] For a while it was 60. [pause] 1:42:44 JD Have you kept up with Mon at all? (UI) Scared of what (UI). You know (UI). I think he's a little bit chauvinistic, no? 1:43:06 JD No, I hear he's having issues though with urn, he repeats himself a lot. He had a desi and his com an the CEO and board asked him to... I think he was an intelligent man. JD I think so too, I agree with you. So back then, you are saying, am I a chauvinist male? I don't know what's going on. ■ Even now it's hard to recover that, you know what I mean. It's difficult right now. (UI) I mean he's not sure, but... JD Yeah, no it is. 1:43:50 --. So work is good. JD Ok. III Ok. DRAFT: FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY 19 EFTA01190825 PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT AND/OR WORK PRODUCT COMMUNICATION Nardello .Co. JD It's ok. We made some, you know in this country, with Obama you had a huge amount of new regulations. • Uh huh. JD Um, which has made it much harder too rate certain t s of businesses. Because I think rivate uities were been doin ve well. JD Yeah Now there's a lot of regulations even for them, for you, right? 1:44:18 JD Not so much forprivate e ui . Uh huh. JD But for other lending institutions there was. So, GE, the mighty General Electric, um, had a huge division in terms of lending. But these regulations really were hitting them. So they decided to sell over $100 billion of their financial lending assets. So everybody was looking at all the different pieces, which were in lots of different types of loans. We looked pretty hard at a few divisions. Uh, we tried to buy them. But they just went for too much. S nt a lot of months on that, for nothin . But, ou know, tried. 1:45:10 Yeah. And I think investments in general has become a little bit harder... JD High price. Because it's more volatile, right? JD Well, it's volatile and things are fairly fully-priced. So there aren't a lot of what we call bargains out there. Yeah. JD So the area we've been building up a lot is lending. So you can have loans at five percent, you can have loans at ten percent, in different products with more risk. III Yeah 1:45:42 JD You can even have loans in the teens. So we try to develop a lot of different products for a lot of our different clients. Um, so that's where we've been focusing. 1:46:09 III Let me use the bathroom, I'll be right back. JD Ok, I think they're back that way. [long pause] 1:49:09 JD You look eat. Thank you. JD How much weight did you lose? I lost weight because I was so depressed. And I was like so (UI) and (UI). JD Whatever you did, it looks good. (UI) I mean, now I'm back. 1:49:41 JD [laughing] ■ I'm back for a couple of months. And you haven't spoken to lawyers in England, no. No? They are very friendly with, they really act strangely. JD They are really friendly with who? Like with a lot of Americans, Clinton. And they just very... 1:50:09 JD Linton? Clinton, Clinton, like Bill Clinton. JD Oh, Clinton. Law ers in En land that are friend with Clinton? (UI) So, um, very strange. I guess lawyers could be shady, right? DRAFT: FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY 20 EFTA01190826 PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT AND/OR WORK PRODUCT COMMUNICATION Nardello Co. JD Some, yes. [laughs] Bankers can be too. Bankers can be too. JD [laughing] So can, so can... illi I have to be careful. JD [laughing] So can everybody. 1:50:37 --. When you are nice, I have to be very careful of you. JD So can everybody. 1. Are you finished? JD I am. But, uh, why? What lawyers do you know in England? a Immigrational lawyers. JD Now Clinton hasn't done much in England. Now, Bloomberg has been spending a lot of time in London. Minlim. 1:51:00 JD I know he went on this Serpentine board, he is the head of it now, the chairman. I don't know why he chose that, but it's a society thing in London. Art, in the park. Ahh yeah yeah yeah. JD You know, the Serpentine. MI Yeah, yeah. He's taking over the globe, just like me. lau•hin• JD Yeah, I'm surprised, I thought he would have bought the Financial Times. It was sold to the J: anese. He bou • ht it? No? JD No he didn't. I thought he should have. Yeah because he had the crisis, right? What he's going to do. 1:51:35 JD Well, he went back to his company where he has 30 billion in stock. Yeah JD Poor guy. Yeah. JD I happen to like him. Uh, I think he's very capable. But, uh, it wasn't like he didn't have, you know, options. The thing he wants is the presidency of the United States. But I don't think he can figure out a way to get that, so... 1:51:59 • Why? Because he's Jewish? JD Well, one, he's a little Jewish guy from New York. Uh, and two, I don't think either the Democratic or the Republican party would nominate him because he's too moderate. Yeah JD And I don't think in this country you can win as a third party candidate. He seems like an intelligent man. 1:52:25 JD I think he is. But what's the story with women? JD I don't know. I honestly don't know. [laughs] Um, he's with somebody that I've known for a while, she's from, she went to Dartmouth, Diana Taylor, a nice lady, but I have no idea what really goes on. I mean, he's married, he has two daughters. Um, but, I don't know, what do you think? 1:52:57 --. I don't know. I think, like your person in life, and your intelligence, DRAFT: FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY 21 EFTA01190827 PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT AND/OR WORK PRODUCT COMMUNICATION Nardello Co. sometimes they have nothing to do with each other. Like he is not necessarily going to be lucky or smart in relationships. JD That's true. That's true? JD Well, I don't think it means you won't be... Yeah yeah yeah JD But I don't think it's a arantee that you will be. Yeah, yeah [pause] I:53:33 ■ Also probably, when you have with a lot of money, it probably also becomes very difficult, no? JD What becomes very difficult? Trusting. JD Yes. Yeah, no, I mean, you question people's inotivations. And then also that you are surrounded all the time, not all the time but a lot times, by people who can make a lot of sacrifices for you and (UI) it becomes, I don't know (UI) ause] I feel like I know JD Huh? JD (U I) (UI) Greg 1:54:43 • So when are you leaving, you leaving next week? JD Sunday This Sunday? JD Mmhm. Fora week? JD Maybe. Where are you going? [talking to waiter] JD Probably to Sardinia and Corsica. 1:55:03 • Oh nice, on the boat? JD But I'm not sure yet, because, uh, maybe with this chemotherapy procedure in Pittsburgh with my sister, I'm going to go, I'm not sure yet. Yeah. [pause] 1:55:45 JD Much better. How's it taste? You can try mine, try mine. I :56:06 JD Ok, I think yours is better actually. --. You can (UI) -- I JD No you ordered that, I ordered the vanilla, this is the vanilla thing. a No this is financier. JD Ohh is it? Huh. a Yeah, this is yours. JD I don't even know ill don't see one when I see one. [pause] 1:56:34 JD So you'll go back to Russia? Maybe London? DRAFT: FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY 22 EFTA01190828 PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT AND/OR WORK PRODUCT COMMUNICATION Nardello Co. Uh huh. Yeah. [pause] 1:57:06 JD So where is the most fun place you went last year? I saw you were in Portugal and ou were in the beach somewhere. Maldives. JD Maldives. I've never been to the Maldives. I Very good. JD Is it nice? Is that the Indian Ocean? a Very good. JD And where do you go in the Maldives? 1:57:36 al There's a lot of islands. I stay in a hotel where they have the room (UI) JD I didn't know if there were any particularly nice resorts there, I've never been. It's really nice. JD Now is that the Mauritius too? Is that in the Maldives too or is that totally separately? --. Maybe, I don't know. JD I don't know, that's the other lace I hear eo le talk about. 1:58:04 I don't know, I will probably going to go to Russia. Maybe I will go to London. I haven't had a vacation this summer. JD Oh ou were in the Ham tons ou said. That doesn't count? You say you can only see me in three more weeks. When are you going to be in London again? 1:58:28 JD 15 and 16 . That'll be actually my first trip to London, in a year. I And you'll have the paper ready by that time. JD I don't know if it's a paper, but it'll be a structure I think. We can talk numbers and structure and kind of put this into a solid form. 1:59:04 al So maybe that makes sense, right? Maybe we should meet in London? Alright? JD Yeah, that's fine. ■ I'll go see my son, see how he's doing there. Because my lawyers, very strange, you know, I started working with them in London. JD These are the immigration lawyers? ■ Yeah, and only like a week before I met with you, they told me that my son cannot come back to school in London. Which I think, not true, because I think the American passport it is still longer. But I don't know, I don't want to risk. And hopefully my son will learn Russian in that school and he will whatever, meanwhile, which is good for him, right? 1:59:53 JD Right. It's in Moscow? ■ Not in Moscow, in Tatarstan. He will be in Tatarstan. So I'll go there and then maybe (UI). Yeah I think that's good. Alright? JD Yeah. That sounds good, right? JD I mean London we can make that clear. Ok 2:00:36 JD You want anything else. I'm glad we made it through a meal. Like you dismissed me when (UI) and you left abruptly the last, so this is more DRAFT: FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY 23 EFTA01190829 PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT AND/OR WORK PRODUCT COMMUNICATION Nardello Co. pleasant. [speaking to waitress] 2:01:31 [waitress] How did you find the financier? How did you find the almond cake? JD It was good. [waitress] Would you like to hold on to it or shall I take it? JD No I'm trying to find the right one, here you go. They make you pay here. JD Yeah 2:01:54 Usually you don't pay anywhere. JD Yes I do. [laughs] Yes I do. I pay everywhere. You don't have an account here I ess. JD Not here, no. I don't eat here that often, urn, because the food is pretty good but it's a little slow. 2:02:20 a mini. JD So I don't usually take two hour lunches. So, the Four Seasons is usually an hour and I have an account there, and that's usually an hour or sometimes less. Although I find this very pleasant, looking out at the garden. [pause] 2:02:55 --. A penny for your thoughts. JD Uh, well I'm sorry you've suffered. I don't believe it was me, that's why I said I was kind of sad you didn't just come out and ask for help as opposed to threatening to sue and extortion, but I am sad you suffered. I care about you and I would like to see you happy. ause 2:03:53 What's going on in your family life? JD [exhales] Nothing terribly interesting. Trying to stay above water. Shall we? [gets up to leave] JD Thank you. [they say goodbye to restaurant staff] 2:04:54 JD Ok which way are you going? Alright I'm going to work. Bye, have a good trip. Bye. Talk to you later. [end] DRAFT: FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY 24 EFTA01190830